A2012 Latinoamérica

Hola, Kath. Si, estaba planeando una cosa para Perú (Estado inca en el lago Titicaca :P) pero no era casi nada. Tu cuales ideas tienes? Fed (talk) 00:28, January 21, 2013 (UTC)

Yay, primera sección del 2013. Me acabo de dar cuenta. xD.

En fin, si, me gustan tus ideas, y si, el resto del Perú tendría otro gobierno. Yo para Colombia y Venezuela estaba planeando una fragmentación muy alta tras la cual lentamente se recuperarían las dos regiones. Fed (talk) 00:50, January 22, 2013 (UTC)

Casi se me olvida, estaba revisando la wikia en español, y te felicito, está muy activa :D. Estoy pensando escribir una historia alternativa ahí (y esta vez juro que la termino! :P) Fed (talk) 02:04, January 22, 2013 (UTC)

Congratulations, Kath!

Winner of the 2013 Stirling for Best TSPTF Member

Congratz, Kath. You've won the award for best TSPTF member in 2012! Lordganon (talk) 11:15, January 27, 2013 (UTC)

Re: Electoral map for Chile

Great to hear from you again. I don't see anything wrong with this, it would be fun to try out. The only things I will need is what territories does Chile add, and what parties each of these new regions would vote for. Should I also assume that you would want me to alter some of the votes here?

If you can hook me up with these pieces of information, I would be more than happy to help. --NuclearVacuum (Talk) 20:44, February 10, 2013 (UTC)

I think I came across a problem. The base map you gave me is PNG (I seriously thought it was vector). This will mean that I will either have to find another blank vector map of Chile's communes, or I will have to make the map from scratch (which will be much more time constraining then I thought this was going to be). However, I think I may have come up with an easier solution to this dilemma. But we need to get everything in order first. You want a map showing all of Chile's communes, with the addition of these new ones for your timeline, correct? --NuclearVacuum (Talk) 02:33, February 11, 2013 (UTC)

Well the solution I have seems like it is working so far. For the record, your base map appears to be the only map showing ALL the communes of Chile in one map (weird). However, I noticed that on Wikipedia, the same designer created the maps of each region and their provinces and communes. All I have to do is put them together like a big puzzle, and voila. Once I have all of Chile's communes from OTL, it shall be a piece of cake to add the new ones. So far it appears to be working.

Also (because I forgot to mention it), I came across this map from the Spanish site. Are these borders still accurate? --NuclearVacuum (Talk) 03:08, February 11, 2013 (UTC)

I see. Well from how this is going, you will have a blank map that you can easily edit (thought from the looks of it, it may be a massive file). I have half of it complete, I will work on the other half tomorrow, and the additions later on. Also, did you want the map sideways like your base map, or how Chile normally looks on a map (north to south)? --NuclearVacuum (Talk) 03:37, February 11, 2013 (UTC)

Good news. I am just about done. However, I do need clarification. On your map showing the areas annexed from Bolivia, what am I looking at? Are the separate colors supposed to be the new communes, or are the communes within those colors? --NuclearVacuum (Talk) 18:17, February 11, 2013 (UTC)

Thank you for clearing this up. I would also assume that the provinces of Tacna would correspond to communes for ATL Chile? Otherwise, I am nearing completion. --NuclearVacuum (Talk) 20:33, February 11, 2013 (UTC)

Here she is. ^_^

Great news. I am done. I hope you like it.

I uploaded it as a vector file (meaning you will need a vector program to edit it). All of the communes are grouped into OTL's regions. I wasn't sure what regions would be formed or enlarged within this timeline, so all the added communes (excluding the two communes which expanded) into their own groups (but since this is primarily for communes, it shouldn't matter too much).

I hope you like it. I do apologize if the file is too large and slows your computer down. I also hope I got everything right. If I got something wrong, I can correct it for you. --NuclearVacuum (Talk) 02:25, February 12, 2013 (UTC)

Glad you like it. Before you convert it, I would definitely suggest that you check it out in a vector program (like Inkscape). The way I coded this file will allow you to color each commune any way you want (instead of just coloring each part of the commune one at a time [like the islands and so on). You can convert the finished image as PNG if you want. It would be a little upsetting to waste all that work. But it is up to you. --NuclearVacuum (Talk) 04:01, February 12, 2013 (UTC)

Ah? No problem at all. I will correct this tomorrow. --NuclearVacuum (Talk) 03:14, February 13, 2013 (UTC)

I am so sorry. I have been quite busy lately. I hope you aren't mad at me. --NuclearVacuum (Talk) 18:37, February 21, 2013 (UTC)
Glad to hear it. I also wanted to ask, have you tried using a vector program? If not, I wanted to upload you a PNG file which would be easily used, and would not be pixelated. --NuclearVacuum (Talk) 20:42, February 21, 2013 (UTC)

I have corrected the missing communes of the map. However, I was not able to successfully convert the map into PNG. I do apologize for this, I have been trying for the past couple of days but with no avail. I know you do not wish to, but I do once again highly recommend trying this out on a vector program (Inkscape is what I use, and it is free). But otherwise, there is not much I can do. I do hope you like it. --NuclearVacuum (Talk) 18:54, February 26, 2013 (UTC)

Map game

Hey, we need another player on The Rebellion (Map Game), care to join us?

Thank you very much, you can be a mod as,well if you like. DS|Fear the Mutated Dean Sims Bomb, Fear It

new turn on the Rebellion map game

Re: Spanish NW

I guess it's okay, though only if he translates what I've already written into Spanish.

KingSweden (talk) 05:53, February 23, 2013 (UTC)

"No" Movie

You might like this movie, just saw the trailer. It's about the 1988 Chilean referendum


KingSweden (talk) 03:24, March 8, 2013 (UTC)

Chile in NAV

Hello Katholico, I have another question regarding names of things in my timeline, Napoleon's Australian Victory. I've decided that Chile will become a colonial power in the Western Pacific, and I want to know what an appropriate Spanish name for a Chilean protectorate would be. The territory consists of otl French Polynesia and a few other island groups, including Easter Island. Thanks, Callumthered (talk) 10:36, April 4, 2013 (UTC)

Bolivar's Dream

He estado muy bien, pero mas que algo ocupado, gracias. :) Como has estado tu?

El que haya hecho esa línea del tiempo no, no me preguntó, pero no hay ningún inconveniente; al contrario, me siento halagado :D entonces tiene todo el permiso de hacerlo. Fed (talk) 20:49, May 5, 2013 (UTC)

South American Rising (Map Game) plenty of cool countries left DS|Fear the Mutated Dean Sims Bomb, Fear It 22:47, May 6, 2013 (UTC)


Che... Gracias por el bloqueo infinito, se nota que me odian. Por cierto, espero que leas mi primera novela cuando la publique. Hasta nunca. GAVa1996 (talk) 18:09, June 7, 2013 (UTC)


Hey Katholico, good to hear from you. I'm thinking of subbing South America out for the Middle East in terms of geopolitical importance (see: APEAC). Let me know if you have any ideas?

KingSweden (talk) 01:43, July 6, 2013 (UTC)

Ooooh that's a good point... hadn't thought about the Falklands/Malvinas.

My idea for SA is essentially this - the French Empire begins to treat South America essentially like its backyard with Mexico and the CSA as the "Beachhead." This eventually leads to a semi-colonialism of the continent between the various great powers that devolves into chaos after WWI. Eventually, everything evolves into a hybrid between Bolivarian chavismo and liberation theology, concluding with the excommunication of major Liberationist/Bolivarian leaders in South America by the Vatican, the 1981 Brazilian hostage crisis, the Brazil-Venezuela War (Brazil opposing Liberationism/Bolivarianism in this case), the Caribbean War, a Hugo Chavez-led coup in Venezuela, some terror attack by Bolivarian/Liberationist terrorists in early 2000s in Germany, and then wars in Paraguay and Venezuela similar to Afghanistan and Iraq in OTL. I'm not sure which ideology makes sense - Bolivarianism that develops in the 1960s/70s, liberation theology or an unnamed combination of the two. Idk either what that combo would be called.


KingSweden (talk) 04:26, July 6, 2013 (UTC)

Precisely. I'm not sure what to call this ideology either... still a Work In Progress.

On the flip side, the Middle East combined with the Balkans would be sort of a Latin American counterpart - after the fracturing of the Ottoman Empire and Austrian Empire post-World War Two, the new states would be a Cold War battleground in Germany's "backyard," with Germany essentially propping up right-wing dictatorships in most Arab countries. I can figure out later where some Chavez-like character pops up with a left-wing Arab nationalism in the 1990s or 2000s (maybe even bin Laden! :O), but the idea is basically that Germany supports some shady characters in the name of fighting British communism. I was even thinking they could butt heads with the Egyptian government over control of the Suez canal a la Panama, and on the flip side have a Panama Canal Crisis with the Colombian government nationalizing the canal in the 1950s like the OTL Suez Crisis.

KingSweden (talk) 16:19, July 6, 2013 (UTC)

Oooh I like that. And then the Brazilians could be an "Axis" power and reinvade that country and Uruguay in WW2 and then get defeated by Argentina and the United States?

KingSweden (talk) 19:26, July 7, 2013 (UTC)

You're thinking Balmaceda wins, and the Baltimore crisis never happens? Well I suppose they could be, though I was thinking that one of the reasons for the APEAC oil embargo was American support for the 1973 Pinochet coup (sort of like supporting Israel in OTL).

KingSweden (talk) 20:20, July 7, 2013 (UTC)

Not at all! I appreciate your input, as always. I'm much less confident with Cinco De Mayo since I'm trying to somewhat mimic history more so than before. I think a war in late 1973 early 1974 makes sense - and Western (read: German and American) support for Pinochet in the victorious conflict leads to the APEAC embargo. Peru, Argentina, Paraguay and Bolivia could all launch attacks and Pinochet could defend himself Israel-style. There could be other wars later, of course, but I was reading about Juan Velasco Alvarado in Peru planning an attack himself in the 1970s and I'd say it fits...

KingSweden (talk) 22:16, July 7, 2013 (UTC)

I'm thinking early 1990s-ish - that way, his fall coincides with the collapse of worldwide communism. He could be overthrown in a popular revolution.

KingSweden (talk) 02:41, July 8, 2013 (UTC)

Maybe Prats stands aside to allow Pinochet to stage the coup, and leads the troops during the 1973 war? Then he flees Chile in 1980/81ish after human rights abuses and becomes interim president after the 1990 revolution?

KingSweden (talk) 00:51, July 9, 2013 (UTC)

I'll figure it out - there are other parts of the TL I want to flesh out first. I'm just glad I got Chile's role established in relation to other SA countries.

KingSweden (talk) 05:13, July 10, 2013 (UTC)


I would if I were you - that twit has caused trouble on every single wiki he's ever been on. Know for a fact he can't speak a word of Spanish, too. Lordganon (talk) 12:37, August 15, 2013 (UTC)

Contestá, por favor

Che. Déjame entrar por una semana a la Wiki, a prueba, verás que he cambiado. Si ves que no he cambiado en absoluto entonces me sacas y listo. ¿Qué te cuesta, dime? Solo te pido una semana, o menos, tú decide la cantidad de días, y también decide que harás luego de haber pasado esos días.

Tendré en cuenta estos puntos:

  • Me prohibo entrar en juegos de mapas.
  • Me dedicaré a una ucronía que tengo en mente, pero solo a esa.
  • Seré buen usuario.
  • Seguiré las reglas.
  • Algun otro punto que tú agregues.

Ahora, dejaré de editar este mensaje para que tú me puedas contestar. Contestá esto, no seas malo. Es solo una pregunta, si me contestas, contestame bien. Gracias. GAVa1996 (talk) 15:59, August 20, 2013 (UTC)

Gracias. GAVa1996 (talk) 18:47, August 20, 2013 (UTC)

Lo entiendo perfectamente, has lo que puedas. Aceptaré la decisión que tomen, sea cual sea. GAVa1996 (talk) 18:54, August 20, 2013 (UTC)

Ok. Me parece perfecto. ¿Publicarás un blog o algo así? Me pasaré mañana por la wiki. Chau, saludos. GAVa1996 (talk) 20:10, August 20, 2013 (UTC)


I noticed that you voted as an objector to my constable nomination. Please note that this is not an attempt to badger you in any way, but I am curious as to how I could improve my performance in the future. I look forward to your response and thank you for your time.
Thanks, Mscoree (talk) 22:42, November 21, 2013 (UTC)

I'd like to point out that as I have conflicts with TSPTF members, they have conflicts with me. I contacted Lordganon and asked him if we could work the disagreements out in a civil manor and he called me mentally disabled. I have recently sought out the help of several mediators just to get an appointment with Lordganon, so we'll see how that works out. Mscoree (talk) 00:04, November 23, 2013 (UTC)

I don't know if you've heard, but I've effectively ended by dispute with Lordganon. We even worked together on making a series of flags recently. I hope that helps to show I am willing to cooperate with other members, and can be considered a part of the team. Mscoree (talk) 22:14, December 2, 2013 (UTC)

For the record, Ms' post there is bull. Completely and utterly. He has not even remotely done that, and it is truly disturbing that he thinks so. Lordganon (talk) 12:14, December 3, 2013 (UTC)

Re: CS

I really just tried to come up with parties on the usual left/right spectrum. I figured there'd be broad consensus in favor of slavery and later segregation within both parties, so I made them almost purely economic. I modelled my list off of other TL's with the Confederacy to come up with the Presidents themselves. Since the South is not part of the US, none of the regional factionalism that arose post-Civil War would come into play, so domestic concerns led to a left/right split instead of the solid single-party domination seen in OTL. SouthWriter is a good resource too, he's from that part of the country and is well-versed in its history and culture.

KingSweden (talk) 14:41, December 2, 2013 (UTC)

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