Hi, welcome to Alternative History! Thanks for your edit to the Republican Century page.

Please leave a message on my talk page if I can help with anything! -- Louisiannan (Talk) 21:05, 23 March 2009


Funny I just finished reading it before I noticed you messaged me. Actually I should clarify that, I read up to the discovery of the Ottawa government and I explained my stance on that on Talk:1983: Doomsday. I'll look more over the article once that has been solved.

Still I think the article was good. I didn't make any major changes except for some stuff to the Mackinaw riots. I just thought that the rioters were painted to be the bad guys too much and its just as likely that scared soldiers trying to prevent their families from being eaten out by a horde of refugees are just as likely to cause drama.

I would also change how Superior got back in contact with the rest of the world. I think I wrote somewhere (possibly the main TL) that the expedition turned back to the MSP to report the existence of the states in the Great Plains. You may want to rethink how Superior was contacted (maybe Canada, they have bases along the Hudson Bay). Also technically both Reagen and Bush survived the immediate effect of Doomsday so I think there may have been some contact at first that would end shortly after they abandoned the country.

I do have a few questions though:

  1. What type of damage could we expect to befall Marquette?
  2. How is the radiation from both the local strike and the radiation spreading from western North America effecting Superior?
  3. How large was the Mackinaw refugee camp?
  4. The army seems incredibly autonomous from what I read, are their any fears of coups?

Mitro 01:15, 10 August 2009 (UTC)

Not sure if I can help you with the flag, I'm not that talented. I would suggested posting in on the TL talk page and see if anyone has any suggestions. Mitro 02:21, 10 August 2009 (UTC)

I really am enjoying Superior and think its an excellent article. You really did a good job. I still, however, think that Chicago is a bad place to put the Republic of Lincoln. May I suggest Marshfield, Wisconsin? It has a population of about 20k and is positioned in central Wisconsin, probably one of the best places in Wisconsin to survive, but that doesn't mean there wouldn't be chaos. Mitro 00:41, 18 August 2009 (UTC)


Well crap that certainly throws a monkey wrench into the plans. Still considering the location of the base there is still some potential of survival for the citizens of Aroostook country, however, the state will be a lot smaller. Mitro 13:36, 10 August 2009 (UTC)

Re: Lincoln/Superior

Nope. I hadn't. I spoke too soon, and I'm sorry for that. Superior is now one of the most seriously cool pages in the TL. Benkarnell 00:25, 13 August 2009 (UTC)

You could still have Licoln existing, but in a different place. There are two Lincoln-related lcations it could be moved to. Theres Springfield (where he worked as a lawyer until his presidency), and Kentucky (where he was born in a log cabin). --Yankovic270 19:55, September 13, 2009 (UTC)


I'm sorry man but Chicago is just the worst place to make a living in this post-Doomsday world. It is still a city that has been hit by a nuclear missile (probably more then one). High levels of radiation would be a constant for some while, plus the ruins would provide their own dangers to anyone trying to build a settlement there. It also would take too much time to create farmland by "demolishing" the suburbs. Its unlikely the survivors could rely on heavy machinery, most would be in different states of disrepair, plus there would be no fuel coming from anywhere. Also you say the people go there to survive from raiders, but the people most likely to make a home in the demolished cities are the raiders themselves. Finally not all of Wisconsin could be chaotic, just looking at likely targets for Soviet nukes it seems likely that some sectors of the state would survive. Mitro 15:32, 18 August 2009 (UTC)

To be honest with you man Chicago would just not work. I think that is the one thing that would prevent Superior's graduation (though you might want to try and fix the flag), though the article as a whole is good, there is no denying that. Its a great article but like and other have said the creation of a state in a nuked city is just implausible. Ben's suggestion of using Madison, Wisconsin might be a good compromise. As for lack of fallout, the TL is full of references of massive fallout and we can't ignore that. Mitro 16:56, 19 August 2009 (UTC)


Actually it probably wouldn't be bombed. British military forces left in 1979 and it was a member of the non-aligned movement until recently. In 1989 it hosted a meeting between Bush and Gorbachev. So no I think that they were neutral enough to avoid being targeted. Mitro 01:13, 27 August 2009 (UTC)


I realize that I haven’t responded to several of your messages. My apologies, I meant to do so and got distracted by other things.

First, Vanuatu is canon but the proposal process applies to both new articles and significant contributions to older ones. That is why I slapped the banner on when you started adding to it. If the country with no content was grandfathered in as canon when the proposal process was established, its history could still be a proposal whenever it is added.

I don’t have family close to Superior (though a friend of mine goes to NMU currently). I remarked on the talk page that my family would probably be dead when the nuke hit Chicago, but I also stated I would find it more exciting if they led a group of survivors to safety up to the Upper Peninsula. That is only a fantasy though, odds are they wouldn’t survive.

Finally, I’m content to watch the debate about the cosmonauts. Sorry if that is not what you wanted to hear but I have been keeping an eye on the situation. Mitro 19:29, 28 August 2009 (UTC)


Can you show me the link where you got that info about Soviet plans for Yugoslavia in case of war? Mitro 19:31, 29 August 2009 (UTC)

You know I've read that article before, and even posted it on the 1983: Doomsday talk page in defense of the Soviet attack on China, but I completely forgot about similar plans for Yugoslavia. Thanks for the reminder. Mitro 20:02, 29 August 2009 (UTC)

History of Superior

I hope you don't mind but I split the Superior article and moved the History section to its own article: History of Superior. Mitro 21:45, September 12, 2009 (UTC)

Estado Nova vs. Wilt of the Carnation

Both of these articles seem to be copies of each other. Would you like me to delete one? Mitro 16:44, September 23, 2009 (UTC)

Are you sure I should get rid of Estado Nova? You have starting naiming articles using that and if I remove that page you would have to rename all the articles to (Wilt of the Carnation) to meet the naming conventions. Mitro 23:43, September 23, 2009 (UTC)

Population of Superior

I wouldn't lable result of fallout as my main reason. I have given a lot of reasons why I think Superior would have a low population on various articles on the TL, though admittedly I have backed off from my originally estimate of 300,000. I think I could only go as high as 1.5, and that for me is IMO a best case scenario number. That being said it is not just me you need to convince. I would try talking with Louis who has been vocal about Superior's population, and I have a feeling Ben might have an opinion on the issue when he gets back. Mitro 16:36, September 30, 2009 (UTC)

Louis shows up every once and a while and I believe he was on today as well. As for Ben he is on vacation or something and said he would be back in a few days. I would reccomend leaving a message on your talk page. Again I still have a lot of reservations on the 1.5 estimate, but I would like to hear what they have to say. Mitro 17:24, September 30, 2009 (UTC)

German Southwest Africa

You may want to see South Africa (1983: Doomsday). It is currently a stub, but its still canon and some of the info reflected on it needs to be incorporated in the German South West Africa page. Mitro 18:07, October 20, 2009 (UTC)

The problem is its still canon. Still you might want to talk to Villa Cruoninga since he was the one who created the current setup for South Africa. He probably won't have a problem. Mitro 21:54, October 20, 2009 (UTC)

Last night's discussion

I'm sorry that I went offline before I could get your message. By "text discussion" did you mean some sort of IM thing? Benkarnell 22:03, November 6, 2009 (UTC)

Sport in the Great Lakes

I still haven't quite got the hang of these talk pages - I guess one party replies on the other's talk page? Anyway, to repeat what I said in response to you at my talk page: there are three pro leagues - hockey, football and baseball - all initially funded by an act of Superior's Congress, correct? As Madison doesn't sponsor a Green Bay team, we can then establish that there is a team there, playing somewhere in the city (perhaps a rebuilt Lambeau Field funded w/state money)? And, if you don't mind my asking, does Superior intend for these to be major league-level replacements for the NFL/MLB/NHL in some way? I'll post something in the sports by country article, and please give me your thoughts on it.--BrianD 02:26, November 14, 2009 (UTC)

Welcome back

Its been a while since I last heard from you Lahbas, welcome back. I would check out Talk:Canada (1983: Doomsday) as that is where some of the discussion you are reffering to is happening. Also when I get the chance I'll take a look at your new TL. Mitro 14:58, March 30, 2010 (UTC)

You may want to look at the Thunder Bay page, where an anonymous user has made a few changes: specifically, killing off Leppe and the aftermath.BrianD 23:18, April 2, 2010 (UTC)

I got a chance to read your new TL and generally I like it. I'm curious to see how you deal with the Goldwater's opposition to the Christian Right in the TL. Also I wonder if his interest in UFOs might come up in his presidency, especially since you mentioned he increased the NASA budget. I'm wondering if the Democrats would use that as a weapon against him. Mitro 16:53, April 5, 2010 (UTC)


Hey, Lahbas. First off, I've gotta say, you've made some pretty good contributions to the wiki, but there is something I want to take to you about. While looking at the nations of 1983: Doomsday, I noticed you created an article called "Republic of Wisconsin". Seeing that it never grew out of a stub, I broiught this matter up with one of the "big guys in charge" of the wiki, who gave me the clear, should I follow the Adoption Guidelines. If you haven't read it, it states that if a user has not logged on for more than 3 months, than an article may be put up for adoption. I'm gonna cut to the chase: Do I have permission to adopt your article? Arstarpool 23:25, May 6, 2010 (UTC)


Permission to adopt the stub you made on the Yucatan? Arstarpool 04:19, May 25, 2010 (UTC)

I'm not sure if you're caretaker of the article, but I wanted to reconcile Yucatan with canon and stay true to the spirit of your intentions, if nothing else. Therefore, I'm asking for your approval. BrianD 04:50, April 18, 2011 (UTC)


Could I adopt Superior from you? Arstarpool 03:06, June 18, 2010 (UTC)

I know you haven't been active as of late, but in case your email alerts you to when people leave messages on your talk page, I just wanted to inform you that your Superior article is currently under review. There is some dispute about the plausibility of Superior territory in Ontario. Mitro 22:29, September 28, 2010 (UTC)

Thunder Bay

In light of the recent vote to join Canada, and my plans to do the provinces, etc. over the next couple months, would it be all right for me to adopt this article, to make it flesh better with other articles and to keep an eye on it? Lordganon 05:53, April 18, 2011 (UTC)

I was just wondering if you were planning anything with your Millard Fillmore TL. Leave my a message on my talk page whenever. Thanks

- Jerseyrules

Angola's (1983: Doomsday)

Are you still interested in editing:

If you are not, would you be opposed to opening them up for adoption? --Smoggy80 11:59, March 11, 2012 (UTC)

Invaison of the Kingdoms

Lahbas, I have noticed that two of the reaming soviet kingdoms boarder  Zambia. Since the kingdoms are close to Zambia, I have mentioned in my Zambia page that the kingdoms occasionally raid Zambia. Would it be all right if I write a page about Zambia invading the kingdoms in retribution for raiding to munch.Goldwind1 (talk) 13:38, December 12, 2012 (UTC)

Lahbas, I am still interested in  having Zambia invade the soviet Kingdoms of  Angola. If you have given up on your Angola articles can i adopt them please.Goldwind1 (talk) 21:33, January 13, 2013 (UTC)

Wilt of the Carnation

Greetings. I'm not sure if you'll read this, but I've been wanting to message you for a while. I've become a big fan of your timeline Wilt of the Carnation, and wanted to know if you'd allow me to adopt the timeline. It has been inactive for five years now and I believe I can help expand the timeline well beyond what already exists. I have many ideas in mind, and would love to work on maps and the like. Like I said, I'm not sure if you'll read this, but I would love to get your permission if you do. Otherwise, I'm still a big fan and can't wait to see the timeline expanded. I thank you for it and all the work you've put on the site. -- NuclearVacuum Flag of Alaska (Russian America) 02:37, January 25, 2014 (UTC)

I'm writing to let you know that I've officially adopted the timeline. Though it has been several months since I messaged you, I have no intention of making any edits as of right now, so you still have time to oppose this if you wish. I look forward to your reply if you so choose to. -- NuclearVacuum Flag of Alaska (Russian America) 03:18, April 11, 2014 (UTC)

Hello, Centuries 

With your permission I would like to adopt the Democratic and Republican century pages in a package deal, seeing how they are both similar to each other.


Stepintime (talk) 16:04, November 21, 2016 (UTC)

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