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I really like the Alf Landon idea. I made some edits which I think violated AH Wiki protocol, and apologies for that. I was simply trying to "flesh out" the story and make the timeline more plausible... From what I can elicit of Landon's personality and style, he doesn't seem to me to have been the type to have been as authoritarian as all that, so making it more a timeline in which he is manipulated by others seemed an idea... but I'm sorry if I have messed with it in any way.
Seamus Seamus The Barbarian 00:05, January 16, 2011 (UTC)
- Thanks man. Any help is great. :) MAINEiac4434 01:08, January 16, 2011 (UTC)
New Survivor communities in Maine
I saw where you were depressed by the 1983DD assumptions concerning any additional survivor communities in Maine. What LG is stating is largely the consensus, but should not be taken as "gospel truth." (Of course "gospel" literally means "good news" and that is not the case here!) Actually, you can indeed pick any community and have them succeed against the "warlords," or even not face such ruffians in the first place. Neither the search parties of various surviving governments nor those of the late coming WCRB can be everywhere. There are a myriad of reasons why a surviving city has not been mentioned. It is just easier for editors of 1983DD to go with the QAA (What's Assumed is Assumed) principle. Assumptions are not like accepted "facts," and leave a lot of room for innovations.
What you need to do is make a very good case for viability. Do your homework, dig in to records that can dispel assumptions that editors have worked around for a long time. This will not be easy, for some of the editors (LG in particular) are well versed in history. A few, like me, have actual memories of the Reagan years. That gives us a big advantage over the younger editors like yourself. However, we are not infallible. Do your best, and share with us those proposals. As LG says, you need to pay attention to what has been written.
As I am writing this, I am checking on "what has been written" over at the Aroostook article. The case at Bangor was not so much "warlords" as it was an "infestation of raiders." These are uncontrolled, and sometimes unorganized, thieves and thugs taking advantage of the weak. I looked up Orono, for example, and noticed that the University of Maine is on Marsh Island. As an island, it could be more easily defended against roaming bands of criminals. You might be able to use this, given that the "infestation" was not as bad in Bangor as it had been in Augusta. Or perhaps, you can seek other places not so close to Bangor and Augusta. Those places, having not been mentioned, are easier to work with. SouthWriter 16:52, April 21, 2011 (UTC)
I think you shouldn't be discouraged by the pessimistic views. After all, canon in the 1983: Doomsday timeline is extremely fluid. When the Municipal States of teh Pacific article was written it was assumed that much ( if not most) of North America was a wasteland. I say that you should presevere and write an article on Bangor or any other Maine community you wish. I get a warm and fuzzy feeling every time another North American survivor state is "discovered".
Yank 17:02, April 21, 2011 (UTC)
Well, in my rough draft Yank, I have two survivor communities: one at the University of Maine and the other at Lewiston-Auburn. Both end up failing, however. Lewiston-Auburn is abandoned after refugees from Portland and Brunswick arrive there. The citizens of L-A eventually abandoned the cities in favor of heading to Augusta, at which point they came under warlords. UME survived until the late '80s, but was overtaken by a large force of Bangor Raiders.
Anyway, here is what I have so far:
"Maine Outside of Aroostook
Despite it’s small population, Maine was battered in doomsday and its aftermath. Southern Maine was mostly destroyed or in the fallout zones of the nuclear bombs that hit Portland and Portsmouth. Lewiston and Auburn (the twin cities of Maine) were originally doing fine in the post-doomsday world, due to their distance from Oxford, Augusta and Bangor (all being controlled by warlords), but an influx of survivors from the bombed cities of Brunswick and Portland soon pushed towns to the breaking point. Eventually, in September 1984, after a year in which many people died from starvation and illness, the towns’ selectmen decided to round everyone up and head off to Augusta. When they got there, many were shocked to see the city had been overtaken by various warlords. Many people were forced into slavery, others were killed outright. Lewiston-Auburn is still abandoned today.
A single warlord,
“Anthonius I”, ruled the coast and islands from Machais in Washington County to Cape Elizabeth in Cumberland County (despite it being irradiated from the bomb that hit Portland), and controlled almost every island on the coast of the state. He wasn’t captured until 2008. But because of the radiation from the bombs that struck Portland, Brunswick and Bath, fishing was decimated along the coast, and “Anthonius” the warlord began piracy, overtaken ships filled with survivors and supplies heading away from Maine that happened to pass his small "empire" off of Washington County. In 2006, Aroostook began to liberated the mainland town s under Anthonius’s the warlord's rule. In response, Anthonius he went to the mainland and intended to "bring the government of Aroostook to it’s knees". However, Aroostook was prepared for this, and captured Anthonius him in the “Battle” of Port Clyde Machais. He was executed in 2008.
Many towns near Aroostook’s borders, such as Calais, St. Stephen (New Brunswick), Danforth, Millinocket, Chesuncook and Mattawamkeag were abandoned altogether in favor of heading north to Houlton, where the townspeople had heard it was safer.
The students at the University of Maine in Orono initially was almost taken over by the infestation raiders that got Bangor, but because of UME being located on Marsh Island, it was able to defend attacks from the Bangor Raiders. Attacks stopped in 1986, and the people of UME began spreading off of Marsh Island, and into the city. Soon, the 17,000 people of UME became 25,000, and Orono became. However, soon after, Bangor Raider attacks began again, and the people were forced back onto Marsh Island. Eventually, the meager defenses set up around the island couldn’t hold up against the raiders anymore, and the raiders took Marsh Island. Many remaining faculty from UME were killed. Several women were forced into wive-hood. Many men were either murdered or forced to become slaves. It wasn’t until 1998 that Orono was liberated, and shortly thereafter for Bangor. A year later, Augusta was as well.
Several towns left Maine altogether, and were incorporated into the Northern Townships. These towns included Bingham, Farmington, Mexico and Skowhegan. Vermont also has claims to border towns on the border between former Maine and former New Hampshire, such as Bethel, Norway, Kezar Falls, and Sanford, which still have a very small population of a couple 100 people."
The most implausible thing in my opinion is Vermont claiming Maine towns on the former Maine-New Hampshire border. Anyway, I'm always open to suggestions. MAINEiac4434 18:30, April 21, 2011 (UTC)
Bangor came after Augusta. But, this is something that would go on a Maine article, not the Aroostook article. nor would the warlord control every island - that's not plausible. Nor do I feel that the warlord section of your proposed stuff is plausible anyways. No matter how you change things, its still irradiated, which does not lend at all to something like that. Lordganon 18:53, April 21, 2011 (UTC)
I actually think switching the dates of the liberations of Bangor and Augusta would be more plausible. Bangor is much closer to Aroostook, and Augusta is much further away. I wouldn't know why the Aroostook militia would want to take out several warlords further away then a relatively small group of raiders based closer to Aroostook. But, whatever.
The coastal warlord part was probably the most fictional. I'll change it so that it's just a few islands off the coast of Washington County, with a small mainland community in Washington County. Could that be too implausible?
I also figured this would go on the Aroostook page, as Aroostook's militia is the one that would be liberating the various towns, such as Orono. MAINEiac4434 19:32, April 21, 2011 (UTC)
Okay, I redacted some of the more...ficticious parts of the coastal warlord section. MAINEiac4434 19:37, April 21, 2011 (UTC)
Parts of it could go on the Aroostook page, sure, but it reads almost identical to the state articles we already have.
Augusta they knew about and had a touch of vendetta against, Bangor they didn't really know about.
Yeah, Washington County parts sounds good. Would explain a few things with regards to that area too.
Lordganon 19:49, April 21, 2011 (UTC)
So do you want me to start posting this on the Maine 1983:DD page, or do you want to do that? MAINEiac4434 19:58, April 21, 2011 (UTC)
All is up to you. Far as I'm concerned, go ahead and add it to the Maine article, without changing anything already there.
And, Aroostook wouldn't execute the guy. Most likely he'd be in a prison for life, probably not in Aroostook - likely Canada somewhere.
Lordganon 20:49, April 21, 2011 (UTC)
Okay, I'll change that about the coastal warlord, and won't alter anything too much on the Maine page. Just kidding, I'll respect what has already been written. MAINEiac4434 21:23, April 21, 2011 (UTC)
Good call on the strike. Don't worry about it - wasn't mentioned anywhere else, nor was it on the strike list. Lordganon 00:27, April 22, 2011 (UTC)
President Tilden LOP
No worries. One of the most common vandal things we see around here is this. I'm sure it'll happen again, lol. Lordganon 16:41, April 30, 2011 (UTC)
Hi, Maine-iac. This is a friendly request that you refrain from frivilous edits to articles. That is to say, cutting and immediately pasting in order to pick up points should not be done. This clutters the administrators' mailboxes, wasting our time checking on the edits. This is not to say that you cannot fix things, but where no content is changed it would be a courtesy to mark the changes as "minor edit" (those don't trigger email updates). Thanks. SouthWriter 01:45, May 2, 2011 (UTC)
HI MaineEiac, I read your New Engalnd Seccesion in full, I enjoyed reading it as a compreshensive history of a failed New Deal,
But where would WWII fit in this? How would it be affected with an Conservative Adminstration?
I have made an article about a Left Wing America
Return of the Kennedys: Ted Kennedy defeates Jimmy Carter in the 1980 Primaries. and defeates Ronold Reagan in the general election.
Alexanders 15:46, June 11, 2011 (UTC)
Thankyou for your help I am often horrendous with spelling and grammer,
Alexanders 19:33, June 11, 2011 (UTC)