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I saw that you play axis vs allies reoloaded, and wondered if you wouold like to try out my new map game, its kind of like axis vs allies reloaded but different in several key ways, here it is: States of America Revised and Reloaded (Map Game).
DeanSims 18:07, February 5, 2012 (UTC)
I'll see what I can do. Enclavehunter 16:47, February 18, 2012 (UTC)
hey, if your adiea was the vive le revolution on the map game idea page, thwe game has been created, and your position as head mod and creator of the game is open for you. DeanSims 17:54, February 19, 2012 (UTC)
Nick, do you [New Granada] want to become an observer in the Axis. You won't need to attack when we do, but you will enjoy the benefits of having a protective shadow over you to protect you. How's that? BTW, don't forget to sign on talkpages!! Just repeat this button: ~, four times and you have your signature! :D Imperium Guy 11:00, February 25, 2012 (UTC)
Egypt: We liberated Libya and Benghzi, so we get the point of the republics of Amazonia, Mato Grosso, and Para. You don't need to pay Brazil, if noboddy else says so, I hope they take it in good faith to. we can singe a mutual defence treaty next move just incase the British don't get the point and cause trouble. :-)The River Nile-2 13:51, May 6, 2012 (UTC)
alright but chile has to return its peice of atlantic brazil, and change the colours of the three new republics so that they are both n.g. and chile coulors seeing as it will be a joint area of influence.
Rio Grande (Avaro)
Hi Nkbeeching! In Avaro map game I (as Chile) had previosly suggested that the Rio Grande region in Southern Brazil (which in chilean control) also to become in a independent state, but i didn't recieve answer. :/ --Katholico 20:39, May 10, 2012 (UTC)
Lets leave that area i am in no condition to keep pushing them ill be pressuring the axis in others ways later on or ill join your side if the NPA gets to powerful, fropm now on lets sustain a united latin front wat you say?
- Ehhh... forgive me. I did't understand fully what you said. XD Was a "Yes"? XD --Katholico 21:18, May 10, 2012 (UTC)
Alliance and recognition (SoC)
Vietnam: We have seen that Thailand is fighting a civil war. After the civil war is over, Vietman asks if Thailand would help Vietnam gain control of Indochina. In return, Vietnam will help Thailand to gain power over the Malay pinnensula. What do you think about this deal? Imperium Guy 13:06, June 23, 2012 (UTC)
We request that all of malaysia, and a small portion of laos, and cambodia which were part of the kingdom of siam before being stolen by the europeans be handed over to use.
- Vietnam apologises to Thailand over the handing over of small portions of Loas and Cambodia as they are dear to Vietnam, but does agree on the whole of Malaysia. :D Imperium Guy 20:49, July 3, 2012 (UTC)
- we will decide in the future the fate of laos and cambodia ok.
Libera & Italy
Hey, I could use Italy's help in aquiring French West Africa for Libera. I would be happy to offer resources to Italy as payment for your help, and assist you in any ventures that would take place in Africa. I've asked Germany and Britian for help as well, but I'm unaware as to who France's enemies are. --"Truth fears no questions..." 02:21, June 29, 2012 (UTC)
Ask else where man im an ally of france since the start of the game.
Egypt could send peace keepers to maintaine the OTL Panamá-Costa Rica border (kicking El Salvador out of North Panamá) and the UN should get Panamá Canal.220.127.116.11 00:58, July 2, 2012 (UTC)Here is how I wish to see South America:
All you need to do is your vassal should negociate with the proper Brazilian government to unite your country. This will have to take atleast 5 years or 10 in-game years to achieve.
So play the game well, be plausible and be careful how you tread, as you have beome the USA of Avaor, neo-imperialistic and having Nigeria vassalized.
You will evetually have to release Nigeria but you won't need to release Brazil. :D Imperium Guy 20:46, July 3, 2012 (UTC)
quick thing imperium nigeria isnt a vassal but an investment interest read my posts from the last 2 decades youll see what its about, also we have no interest in expanding the Nueva Granadan republic doing so will destroy our nation in many ways including ideology from peru and ethnic problems form amazonia we wish to leave brazil as 2 or 3 seperate states if possible all under our influence we will keep them as equal partners but if they unite our dominence in latin america will collapse after the game i want to end the game in latin america atleast till 2050 under N.G. "protection" even if we dont play it till that year.
Hey i noticed you quit the game. You're welcome to play as China if you wanted an Asian culture. I just don't want to lose you as a player because you're dedicated to the game(unlike alot of players). Anyways get bback to me on that. Also if you don't want to keep playing its fine but i'd appreciate it if you would help me spread the word and get more players, i really don't want the game to die. Thanks.AP (talk) 22:52, July 13, 2012 (UTC)
Where is your TL, if I may ask? :D Imperium Guy 14:20, July 15, 2012 (UTC)
Seven Years War
Sure, but we really have to fix up your signature! This is what you should put in your preferences:
Sure, I'd be happy to help out. --"Truth fears no questions..." 20:03, July 21, 2012 (UTC)
Lobositz Lamentable Loss
Lobolitz lementable loss
Sounds good, i'll deffinatley cooperate and as long as you don't bother me in Kamatcha , ill leave you be in the northern pacific islands. Also sounds good about china too. octiman10 02:42, August 13, 2012 (UTC)
A Darker Place
Man... you really, really, REALLY, need to check your ability with English. Honest, I've seen too many mistakes in the Western Europe timeline...
Yeah, it's pretty ok, without Admiral Yi Korea would have been screwed. However, you need to mention General Kwon Yul. He was a pretty good general. PitaKang- (But here's my number|So call me maybe) 01:25, August 28, 2012 (UTC)
Sure, it sounds good to me.
Also, how about you send your stuff to me before you publish because your work actually needs some corrections. No offense. But one easy thing to remember: start every sentence with a capital letter and put a period (this . ) or these ( ! and ? ) at the end. Should work. :D
Mostly grammatical, but partially historical too.
Mostly the Russian one. The Rurik were politically destablizing. They would have fallen anyways. A new house can come to power, not necessarily the Romanovs, but someone.
I think it's fairly good, pretty plausible, although I'm sure the Japanese would have had a little bit more trouble. Not a lot, but a little bit in taking over Korea. The problem was, obviously, that most of the Korean generals really didn't care about anything but their careers, a lot like Washington politicians today. But there were a few good ones out there, and the paramilitary militia (peasant militia) actually had more success than the actual army. PitaKang- (But here's my number|So call me maybe) 23:03, August 30, 2012 (UTC)
China vs Japan in LLL
In the Map game Lobositz's Lamentable loss, know that I am willing for Japan to take Chinese Sakhalin, Korea, and Taiwan without an algorithm, as long as you wage the war in the1770's or 1780's. I am afraid that anything else, or after those dates, will require an algorithm. If you don't intefere in the 1790's in China, then a large part of China will break away as an NPC, and also the main part of China wll no longer be as hostile for Japan. LurkerLordB (Talk) 17:17, September 1, 2012 (UTC)
If you would be willing to move your territorial goals for mainland China north (to Manchuria) and wait for the fall of the Qing in two and a half in-game decades, you can gain quite a lot of land. LurkerLordB (Talk) 20:20, September 1, 2012 (UTC)
A Darker Place
The story is quite good. The only problem, as I said, is your English. Better get back into track with that! (Don't forget to sign, either) Milarqui, The Spaniard (talk) 16:54, September 2, 2012 (UTC)
You interested in an alliance with the Ashikaga Shogunate? -Kogasa 2012年9月07日 01:55:34 (JST)
A Darker Place
Looks nice. I like how Japan tactics managed to defeat the Chinese leaving them shattered, lol. Also, England managing to take over France sounds interesting, you think the French will be able to fight it back in the future?
Interesting how the Toyotomi Family managed to keep in power as well..
Overall, I like the time-line. Can't wait to see how it develops from there. :] -Kogasa 2012年9月07日 02:41:27 (JST)
I actually forgot about our previous discussion. So no algorithm needed if you just want to take Sakhalin and Korea. I would like this war to last a while (like 6-7 years) though. LurkerLordB (Talk) 21:13, September 7, 2012 (UTC)
Good enough. :]
Greater Siam? Well I'm kinda a bit afraid of Britain (which has India and Malaysia) and France (Indochina) would easily attack me and bit more afraid that other powers would also jump in.
Plus there isn't much I could do, since those major powers would easily conquer Siam, even with some support.
How do you plan to make Greater Siam? -Kogasa 2012年9月14日 06:49:16 (JST)
Please Join the Axis Powers
The Axis Powers would love to have you join our Allaince as a full bodied member. If accepted after the wars end numerous territorial concessions will be given to you. Please consider this and join soon, weProud Leader of the Althistory Revolution (User talk:DeanSims) 01:52, September 15, 2012 (UTC)
Right, onward to the Dutch East Indies.
I'll send many military to there as much as possible to help the Indonesian rebellions. -Kogasa 2012年9月15日 20:26:56 (JST)
under the consitions that you start no war with America, the USSR, or any other nation without Axis Aproval, also, we offer these post war borders, Korea and Siam are still independat allies.(Talk) 16:24, September 20, 2012 (UTC)
I accept terms for Burma, but the Dutch East Indies will be allowed to vote on what it bcomes. Australia will be left alone. (Talk)
You got yourself a deal. How does this map look to you? In the Russian Far East, there will a consulate state. There will be three consuls. One appointed by Japan, one by America, and one elected by the people. If you attack the USSR, you will get all of Manchuria. If you help me convince Hitler (just talk to Imperium Guy) that he should attack the Soviets, we will be the two happiest nations on Earth, and the Cold War will be America vs. Japan vs. Germany. Sound good? Thought so.
we accpet your teritorial demands in Asia in return for you joining the Axis. Dean (Talk) 16:19, September 24, 2012 (UTC)
In the game I have invaded Manchuria as Korea. I ask you, as a Buddhist nation to another, to sit out the war. Manchuria belonged to Korea originally, too. Thanks. PitaKang- (But here's my number|So call me maybe) 13:38, September 29, 2012 (UTC)Well, here is a map of what I will be willing to share. the v. light green is yours, the gold is mine. I would also require your aid in evetually crushing Tibet and capturing hindu territory. What I offer is a lot, I hope you agree! :D Imp (Say Hi?!)15:53, October 13, 2012 (UTC)
Hey man, can we make an alliance, i can help you in your battles, iam just looking for a little expansion, but you can have all the territorios of the Majapahit, he is no longer playing, and i can help you, and i hope you can helme back in my battles. We can define our territories, what do you say? Tipakay (talk) 22:06, October 18, 2012 (UTC)
hey would you like to play this new map game of mine http://althistory.wikia.com/wiki/Arabian_Failure_(Map_Game)#Asia Sine dei gloriem (talk) 22:59, October 21, 2012 (UTC)
A Darker Place
Sure I'd be glad to help out as best I can. :]
They're not puppets, they're just one single IP. I'll ask someone to ban them. Thanks for telling me that. I wouldn't have noticed.
Do you want to join Carpe Diem, Carpe Mundum Revived (Map Game) Warman555
i think that the POD are quite good, though i would probably choosen something that would directly avoid the need of expansion westward from europe like Constantinople lasting,but the joan of arc early death, seem quite interesting as the fate of france was on her hands in those moments, and a japanese korea is not new but good as will give a possibility of further conflict between japanese and Chinese and that japan comes out of shadows from the europeans view earlier, take in consideration that i have not read it all, and that i barely scratch the surface as i haven't Sine dei gloriem (talk) 23:47, December 18, 2012 (UTC)
i like the Greeks regaining their glory from the russians, but my question would be as an empire or Kingdom and centered in Constantinople or athens, as for the colonization and european timelines im going to help you Sine dei gloriem (talk) 00:05, December 19, 2012 (UTC)
i like the idea of Greater colombia from the french, and the aztecs survival, though i think brazil should be splitted between portuguese and spanish, and that france survivies yet loosing its north to england Sine dei gloriem (talk) 00:37, December 19, 2012 (UTC)
france under the shadow of spain... thats sad but ok, eventually that will change, and if you allow me iwill make a burgundian kingdom for a few hundred years from what remains of france to fall into france power again Sine dei gloriem (talk) 00:42, December 19, 2012 (UTC)
i wish to help with the spelling but i have the same issues,also, i could change the burgundian kingdom into a Barely existent nation that lasted a few years to the Germans to eventually fall Sine dei gloriem (talk) 01:08, December 19, 2012 (UTC)
yes, maybe around the time of Napoleonic wars, it could be instead that france annexed corsica and then napolean tried to reform the frankish empire Sine dei gloriem (talk) 01:48, December 19, 2012 (UTC)
also,i was thinking in lobozits we should turn ourselves to make the turns, say you make the unpair numbers like 1809,1811,1813... and i the pair and their relevant events Sine dei gloriem (talk) 02:36, December 19, 2012 (UTC)
Map Game Wiki
hi, NK i would like to know if you would be willing to Come and Play in Map Game wiki any kind of Game you want, as i Want to Re activate the Map game wiki as an alternative way to the Althistory one, it would be also a good place to Make any sort of Map game project you might want Sine dei gloriem (talk) 00:22, December 23, 2012 (UTC) http://mapgame.wikia.com/wiki/Map_Game_Wiki
ah, btw i want to Post the Mod events of 1810 tonight post your turn and i'll post mine and the mod events, i want this game to begin going faster ok? Sine dei gloriem (talk) 00:54, December 23, 2012 (UTC)
I'm interested in joining, and I'm ready to help. -Kogasa 2013年3月11日 23:05:54 (JST)
Sure thing. What do you want the Map Game to be called though? The same as the time-line? -Kogasa 2013年3月12日 01:10:52 (JST)
mine could work for Pre 1700 or Pre industrial era's but its really complex, though idk you may disagree,so watch my algorythm and tell me what to fix for the Mapgame of Opportunity 2 (Map Game) My Algorythm is Here
i do,but i haven't use it in a while cause my pc got broken and i'm on super slow pc, however i have facebook,messenger and xfire, do you have any of those, and btw is the Algorythm Page still blank?
Mate, what did I tell you about that sig, lol?
I want you to try something Nk. On my talkpage (when you respond), have four of these: ~ after your point. Well, about the map game. If I could give you a piece of advice, would you please not start it up, please? It will die out very soon and will clutter the wiki (no offense). You should try to play PMII or Axis vs Allies. These are games which will not die out and you can try to play them. :L Imp (Say Hi?!) 13:57, April 2, 2013 (UTC)Oh. I see (about the ~).
Well, those games become implausible real quick though. :(
Night of the Living Alternate History
While that might get a few less votes for war in Congress - which is doubtful, since the Note was not actually the primary concern - it would not mean it fails, or even comes close. Lordganon (talk) 09:43, April 5, 2013 (UTC)
Wouldn't even lead to more debate.
Simply put, there is no way, shape or form that the USA would not enter the war with the Germans going back to unrestricted sub warfare.
And no, them not doing so not a guarantee for either the Germans winning or the US not entering.
I would expect that the Germans would still lose steam, and just make the front mildly further west, and the US would merely enter the war in 1918. Their financial investment more or less means they would have to.
Attacks like that on the Allied Navies would mean the U-boats end up destroyed.
French troops won't mutiny so long as the Germans are actually attacking. It's when the French were almost literally throwing their lives away that they mutinied - which is not the case if the Germans attack like that.
That is not near as possible as you'd think - with the Americans on the way, they would be less likely to surrender. Also, those same French and British troops managed to stop that German attack largely by themselves otl. It's effectiveness has long been overrated. Lordganon (talk) 11:44, April 6, 2013 (UTC)
Natives and Disease
Let's put it this way - there was still large outbreaks among the native populations of Canada and the USA in the early 1900s.
There's even evidence today that indicates natives don't have as much resistance - you could argue that they still haven't got any "natural defenses."
The survivors of the plagues and flus are simply those who got lucky and by virtue of surviving, got some immunity.
So... back to the question.
Best answer, really, is that they won't. Somewhere in the area of 95% of the native population dies. The survivors get some sort of immunity from the dead viruses.
What are you needing it for? I could provide more or better info if I knew that.
France was not "dominant" in any way, shape, or form until the 1600s - well after the New World would be found. The Spanish Kingdoms were still weaker in the era in question than France, however.
The Spanish kingdoms - "Spain" did not exist for decades past Columbus - being occupied elsewhere does little. John Cabot would discover the Americas a couple years later for the English Crown. Little change overall from otl.
There is quite literally no way that refugees could cross an ocean like that.
After the diseases hit, there is going to be no native authorities left whatsoever in those areas. The Aztecs would be gone. Not that they were very there in the first place - a tribe ruling an "empire" of tributary states is going to fail, spectacularly, at some point.
Spanish are going to be interested in the Aztecs still. Gold, Religion, and Land, simply put.
They will die out. 95% deaths. There is no authorities left. I cannot begin to stress that enough. No slow changes, or anything.
Inoculations are centuries away. No effect whatsoever. For that matter, doing that to the native population, as shown in history, would give them a full-blown case of the disease and kill them.
Of the two features with surviving Aztecs, one has a local disease arise that is like smallpox to the Europeans, but the natives are largely immune to - ASB in origin - and the other is entirely ASB.
Honestly, I don't think that there is any way that a state could survive in the area. Area is too valuable, and they would not have the time to recover.
All the ways I can think of for them to survive are either ASB themselves, or involve others being ASB.
A "mixed" people means that they already lost.
One can argue that the Spanish conquest of the Aztecs otl was actually two attempts. Probably the best way to put it, really.
Impossible for the Aztecs to survive that long. If the Spanish do not do it, someone else will.
The introduction of European diseases into Mexico means that the Aztecs are done. Their empire is toast. No state can sustain such a loss in population. The resulting chaos is just easy pickings.
The Spanish would be far from the only power interested that could do so. Even overstretched, the English could. Besides that you have the Danes, Swedes, Italian states, Portuguese, Dutch, Norwegians, Scots, Turks, states in the Baltic, whatever is in France, and even Irish nobles could get into the mix if they though it worth it.
Yes, a series of smaller chiefdoms would arise in the aftermath. For any to really last, however, would be a few decades. They'd fall to Europeans fairly easily.
No way they would go north. Not only is that not possible, but the natives up there would tear them to shreds. Northern Mexico was at that point more or less tribal and desert. Further north than that is worse for hostile tribes. Took the Spanish decades to get up into these areas - in some spots, more than a century. So any extra knowledge would not help them.
Those tribes in southern Chile suffered the same death rates as everywhere else. The Spanish hit upon their resistance originally, and decided that it wasn't worth the effort, after the found there was nothing worth having beyond them, or in their lands. Same thing the Inca found out about these tribes.
French government is more or less irrelevant - even strong French nobles could conquer them.
Changing Spain like that would take at least a century.
You said nothing before about the Danes and Swedes. Not that it matters - they could still do it.
Turks tried to do it otl. In your world, they would have better odds. Would not stop Russia, either.
The Italian states, or Italian merchant families, could establish their own colonies. They tried it otl, even. Nor would they be under Spanish influence.
Nk, they conquered Naples otl. That is not a change.
They would not have that much of the peninsula. France didn't even have any real involvement in the area after the war you reference. Spain simply cannot project power in the north.
Nothing north of the Pope would be under their "influence" except Milan itself.
English would not control the Dutch.
Doesn't really matter where English interests lie - gold kinda preempts that.
...You really need to look more into things, Nk.
It's basically impossible for the Spanish to do that.
You're misreading that thing with England and the Netherlands. Yes, they "offered" her the crown, but it wasn't really a crown. What the Dutch Parliament offered her was quite literally just that crown. No power, no say in things, nothing. They would have retained full power. There is no reality in which any monarch would agree to such terms, especially considering it means war with Spain. Nor is there one where the offer would have been different.
That marker was more because of the line you said you were heading in. That statement indicates a change in that, maybe. Go as you are, and I'll let you know when something is a stretch. Lordganon (talk) 08:57, June 27, 2013 (UTC)
The LAU, (formerly Mexico), agrees to a nuetral Panama in return for a Brazzillian-LAU defensive alliance. Also we ask that the incident in LAU will be forgiven, and the assassins hav been captured and are being sent to.you. We also ask for closer cooperation as to unite Latin Americs with freindly relations. DS|Fear the Mutated Dean Sims Bomb, Fear It
keep writing, i want to see if the Entente wins or gets crushed. Also, i like that the Kaiser is still in power, no Nazis :D
Im guessing Entente will win. But you have North Chile, Ecuador, Venezuela, and Uraguay all in your sphere of inlfuence, but the SADL (Colombia, Peru, Paraguay, and Bolivia), wouldnt like your expansion of power and most likely would band together for common defense, your still in trading relationships, and your not going to have a war, you literally are the dominant power in South America, and matched with the LAU for strength (just Brazil by itself is), and with your 4 puppets you are pretty strong, the dominant Latin American power, other nations would fear you and band toether for common defense. DS|Fear the Mutated Dean Sims Bomb, Fear It 19:50, July 12, 2013 (UTC)
i deleted our conversation onth egame to clear space. But SADL and Brazil are in freindly realtions and the trade deals are still in effect DS|Fear the Mutated Dean Sims Bomb, Fear It 19:53, July 12, 2013 (UTC)
OOOOOOO, a twist from normal ATL. I really want to read this, i love it when the Kaisers surivive and win WW2. PLease commence writign. DS|Fear the Mutated Dean Sims Bomb, Fear It 20:01, July 12, 2013 (UTC)
In the ruins of Rome
Okay, I'll try.
Could you give me a very basic explanation as to why World War II broke out in the first place? And I am assuming that the Entente is still the nations from World War I?
If you could give me that, I think I could come up with something.
Well, I imagine that Roosevelt would still have his "arsenal of democracy" except with Germany instead of Britain. And a British invasion of Ireland could very much be like Poland and Germany OTL.
Neither of those would result in war with America, however, and would simply sour relations between America and the Entente. But if the Entente were to aid Mexico in its conquests, that could be interpreted as a violation of the Monroe Doctrine. Then you have a war with the Entente.
I hope this helps. If not, I will try to think of something new.
I'm sure that would work. That would make the United States very mad, and declare war.
More than that, really - the island is more self-sufficient than you'd think. Couldn't starve them into submission. Would have to make the military situation untenable, and have the British government fall.
They'd annex the European-held islands in the Caribbean, and get Quebec its independence. Rest of Canada probably unchanged.
Can Brazil and the LAU unite?
Guyanas and the Caribbean
The three Guinea territories would get independence, of a sort.
Expect statehood to one degree or another for the rest.
On another note, add more paragraphs. Hard to read.
Just divide it up into more paragraphs. Far as I can tell the content is fine.
Cuba model. Puppet government, more or less.
Black, white, and red.
Sorry for a late reply, but I really need to research more information about East Asian history.
Anyway, I will really happy for can help you to improve your timelines. There are some interesting points that I found on A Darker Place TL:
- (Introduction, Paragraph 2, Line 1) "Kampaku Hideyoshi began to isolate his enemies [...] and keep them under strict control: for example, Daimyo Leyesha was eventually killed along with most of his clan." Who is Leyesha?
- What happen with Korean naval forces during the war without Admiral Yi?
I don't think so. Even without Admiral Yi, the Koreans surely will using their navy during the war. Yi Sun-shin is indeed a genius strategist, but that doesn't means he will not get replaced by another commanders after his death. That is still too early to conclude that Admiral Yi's absence will resulted the Korean navy being unorganized.
Good. The galleons make more sense than the earlier POD.
About 90 million total - or, basically the otl populations of Germany, Austria, and South Tirol. Given population trends, and movements, that occurred otl and concentrated the German population in otl Germany, you would not see much difference - the people that moved west otl would simply stay in the parts of the old German Empire that they were in to begin with. Lordganon (talk) 12:36, September 17, 2013 (UTC)
Sorry, but your research is wrong, overall.
True, some German nationalists in Germany did advocate such a thing in the aftermath of the war, but they were in the minority.
Austrians have never felt like "Germans." They feel like Austrians. The difference is something akin to that between the Brits and Americans.
Austrians, overall, were nowhere near supporters of the concept. Only ones that ever supported it were outright Nazis.
It is not plausible in the least. Some whackjob like Hitler would have to quite literally force it at the end of a "barrel," like otl.
How about having France lose the War of the Fourth Coalition? I think with that, the French could not go further in Eastern Europe. I'm not too sure though. -Kogasa 2013 September 18, 21:40 (CET)
Really cannot get a balance that puts him that far east. If he gets that far and gets removed from Eastern Europe by the Coalition, he won't be able to stop them at all.
Best semi-solution would be to have him accept the Frankfurt proposals of the Sixth Coalition - i.e. he gets to keep power in France if he pulls back and gives up immediately - that he was offered in otl shortly before the Coalition invaded France. Otl, he refused. But have him accept it, and he'd keep pre-1791 France, and his descendants would likely be able to expand that into otl Belgium and Germany to some degree, with the possibility of chunks of Italy akin to otl.
Realistically, the Third and Fourth Coalition Wars were the same war - Prussia joining earlier really wouldn't mean much. Was just a matter of a few months between them, remember.
For some reason, wikipedia doesn't have much of anything on the Frankfurt Proposal. Not even an entry, truth be told. Just google "Frankfurt Proposal" and you'll find a bunch of things.
By that point in the battle, Kutuzuv was so far down the proverbial totem pole that there's no way the Tsar would have listened. He'd have, somehow, to keep his overall position well in advance of the fighting. Not impossible, but you'd need to figure out a way to do it.
But, either way, French would still win the battle, just not anywhere nearly so decisively as in otl.
Finish off Austria, and then turn against Prussia, crushing them.
Basically, take the end results of the two Coalitions, and merge them into one.
While not decisive, a victory is still a victory. And you really don't need to reorganize unless you actually lose. French would still roll them up - the Coalition would not be able to push them back.
If experienced Russian generals could not convince the Tsar, there's no way that an Austrian would have - especially one with no battlefield experience at all. The head of the Austrian Army even went along with the Tsar, actually.
Would only mean that the victory by Napoleon was less of one. Simply put, you do not bet against Napoleon in battle.
That's not an accurate image of the proposal that the Austrians took the lead in offering, imo. The Brits only freaked out like that after it was rejected outright by Napoleon. Fact of the matter is, Napoleon just decided to refuse it.
Best speculation I've even seen/heard as to why is that he'd have been unable to maintain the position he held had he agreed to it without getting a concession or two - hence, why he kept fighting after they offered him the proposal. They just didn't offer him anything else after that point, largely because of British protests. The negotiations were not "ultimately doomed to fail." Simply put, there wasn't any - hence, the overall problem.
No way that the Coalition accepts that.
Way I figure it, just have some vague promise of support to keep him on the throne be offered (kind of an under the table thing) and he'd probably take it.
His heirs would be able to take advantage of later chaos, such as in the 1830s, and gain parts of the otl German Rhineland, and maybe bits elsewhere too. At other times, I guarantee a new coalition arises.
"Separate heritage" - i.e. not German. Try calling an Austrian a German - does not fly. Think of it as being sort of like someone calling a Brit an American or vice-versa. Insulting, at best.
That was a bit of their problem with it, but the primary one was that they wanted independence. Unless Austria rules Germany, it wants no part of it.
Pressure? Not quite - it would take armed force, like with Hitler. Not happening otherwise.
Doubt Prussia would get the Rhineland in that context.
Unification would take longer. And no, Prussia and Austria aren't going to stay friends. Their goals were very opposite of one another.
The 1792 borders of France did not contain the Rhineland or Belgium. At all.
The Brits and Russians would go along with it. Very willingly.
Like I said before, think of the Third and Fourth Coalitions as being one. The difference is a matter of a few months, and the actions would be virtually the same as otl, just moved up slightly. End result would be more or less otl, quite frankly.
If I understand your question correctly, you want Napoleon to be kicked out of Eastern Europe (Russia, the Balkans etc.), but still maintains power in the France and Western Europe? If this is so, I would say that the primary driver would have to be continuing good relations between Czar Alexander of Russia and Napoleon, perhaps in a division of Europe between them? There just needs to be a way to keep Napoleon from wanting to attack Russia, and Russia can't provoke France. In OTL, it was when Russia began to circumvent the Continental System around 1809-1810. At this time, Napoleon will be bogged down in the Peninsular War in Spain, as well as still facing the British. Napoleon must prevent Britain giving support to Russia or any other country, especially Austria and Prussia. The problem here is Napoleon's personality, for he was a very vindictive man, so the slightest insult to himself or France would be met harshly. Tbguy1992; Talk; Blog 13:54, September 19, 2013 (UTC)
Ah, well that brings up three other things to look at: A) what Russia will say about it; b) what role the Hapsburg's will play in this; and c) how to make Prussia want a Greater Germany. Russia will be the bigger threat to a Greater Germany that includes Prussia and Austria than France, especially if Britain is either Neutral or allied with Germany. Russia will feel very threatened by a Greater Germany, one that reaches from the Baltic to the Adriatic (if you include South Tyrol). Russia will not be pleased, and most likely terrified of such a large Germany, and will do whatever they can to stop it. Will it succeed? Any time before OTL's Crimean War, very possible. After the 1860s, it gets less and less plausible without major Russian reforms. France and Britain will also feel threatened by a larger Germany, but to a lesser extent.
Second, the Hapsburg's. They control, not just Austria, but dozens of other nationalities, including Hungarians, Czechs, Slovaks, Serbs and even Italians. They refused the chance to lead a Greater Germany in 1848 becuase that meant they would have to give up the rest of their empire, but I don't think they would allow the center of their power, Austria, to be taken away and given to a Greater Germany. The Hapsburg's need to be given a reason to either want to give up their Empire in Southeastern Europe, or find away to incorporate it with an overwhelming German majority.
Last, Prussia. In 1848, the King of Prussia refused the crown of a United Germany that was created by a liberal, nationalist convention in Frankfurt, if for the only reason that he believed that by gaining power through the people, it would impact his role as an absolute monarch. At the same time, the conservatives in charge of Prussia, both the Army and the Government, were more inclined to make an alliance with Austria and Russia than fight them, as in their minds, nationalism was bad, but strong, absolute monarchs was good. Tbguy1992; Talk; Blog 16:59, September 19, 2013 (UTC)
It is an interesting idea, and I will gladly help you out with any info you may need. However, I haven't done much with the Wikia since January, so I may work a bit on my stuff first before I go to help others. If you do need any help, I will do so, but I'll let you work on your story as you like it. Tbguy1992; Talk; Blog 00:27, September 20, 2013 (UTC)
This is during 1805, correct? Before the Battle of Austerlitz? If so, it sounds alright, though more research may be needed to fully flesh it out. Tbguy1992; Talk; Blog 01:02, September 20, 2013 (UTC)
World Rivalries Resumed
Ok. Message me your specifications about Saturday, and I'll give it back on Sunday or Monday.
Fair, so far. Keep at it!
You wanna join my new game?
Here is my first draft for the map you requested. Let me know if you see anything that needs to be changed and I'll be happy to fix it. I'll begin shortly on the other maps as well. I can also make locator maps for major nations if you want.
Viva La Revolution
I don't know if you were a fan of the Viva La Revolution map games but as you played as Nueva Granada in AP's version i thought you may be interested on this. Interested? If you are feel free to join as any nation. What do you say ? Sine dei gloriem (talk) 15:33, October 15, 2013 (UTC)
Don't worry, Nk.
Please post on Colonial World (Map Game) !
Prussia is independant again.
RE: Timeline maps
sure what did you need in particular?
I think that maybe he would probably try to work on greater unitedness between the states and probably implement more programs to make the south grow quicker as well as perhaps not having the OTL migration northward take place in such large numbers.
I'm like the English professor in the Men's Room.
I don't write on the walls.
I just correct the spelling and grammar.
So long as the path to rebellion is logical, it would probably be plausible.
Han generals and nobles did join or even start rebellions otl. Just have to have the right climate for it, and it not be peasant in nature.
For the first bit, it'd actually be worse. Have to defeat other such groups, rebels, remnants of the old dynasty, etc. Probably better after that.
Problems with the minorities works - those groups would break away, and the new government would want them back. Bet on several staying out for good at that stage, namely Tibet and Mongolia.
Such squabbles go back so far in the Qing that it's hard to say. Doubt it, myself.
Apologies - that, Nk, is what happens when you're extremely tired and responding to things, lol. Same answer more or less applies, however.
Think you're mostly right about China after that - war with Japan with still be the 1890s, they have their own development to go through. And one state after, not two, unless it is kinda like otl.
Would never accept him.
A general of some sort, probably.
If you could come up with some sort of reason for it while he was training the Huai Army, Li Hongzhang could have led something then. For him, I'd actually think it more likely for him to try something after the loss in the Sino-Japanese War, however.
Yuan Jiasan, no. Not in a position for it.
Can't see Zeng Guofan doing it. His brother, Zeng Guoquan, would be mildly more likely, but not by much - while his personality would be more suited for it, the man was a "Butcher" and would not attract support.
Zhang really would't have the forces to take Beijing. Nor would the Manchu pull out of the south.
None of those rebel leaders in the south could take over it.
Were he to feel slighted for some reason, not impossible for Zhu Hongzhang to rebel. Thing would be, however, that he doesn't seem to have had a personal following in the troops, which would hold him back.
Yes please, that be wonderful! :D -Kogasa 2013 November 19, 03:09 (CET)
That sounds fine with me. :] -Kogasa 2013 November 19, 03:52 (CET)
Oh, yeah, no worries. You can still invade. I won't do anything. But need to keep up appearances, right?
21:01, November 25, 2013 (UTC)
Human History Experiment
I'd like to invite you to my new Map Game, Human History Experiment . It takes place on an unknown landmass, and if it can stay plausible will eventually move through 6000 years of human history.Wegscuba (talk) 03:00, November 28, 2013 (UTC)
To choose where your nation will be, go to the Maps page. there select any one of the starting locations you wish. Each starting location has a map. you can start on any one of those maps, even if a player is already there.
If you are starting as a city- put a dot with your city's name beside it anywhere you wish to have your starting city
If you are starting as a tribe, draw a line around the area your tribe roughly encompasses, with the name of the tribe beside it. repost the map on the maps page. don't worry about if it looks good or not, as long as I know where you are starting, I can clean it up if need be. Wegscuba (talk) 00:02, November 29, 2013 (UTC)
If you plan on moving around, you should probably start as a tribe. then you can keep moving until you are ready to settle down somewhere. I'll make sure that everything is good with the map and I'll post itWegscuba (talk) 05:18, November 29, 2013 (UTC)
Hungary Splitting from Austria
Very plausible if they "won" the war. There is literally no way that the Hungarians would have accepted any reforms.
It would be a new title.
A name... Give me your PoD, and a small summary of your timeline.
Oh. You meant that one? Keep the current name.
On another note, paragraphs. Dear god, use more paragraphs.
That's not really an excuse, considering you're the first and only Spanish-speaker I've ever seen do that, Nk.
A name... Well...
When do they come to power? Where are they originating? How do they come to power? What dynasty came before them? What is their message?
The "Shu" Dynasty. Character "樹"
Means tree, affirmation, assertion, statement.
"Tree" is the most common meaning. I figure that it indicates the overall message. Of course, they'd actually use a modified version of it, but this is good. It's also the name of several kingdoms that existed during the "broken" eras of China, which would help too.
As for the "Mandate of Heaven," Chinese still believe in that concept today. Not going away.
I'd imagine that they would stay part of the Netherlands in your scenario.
Italy, plausible - give them some of the Papal States.
Piedmont would not go against France like that.
With such an Italian kingdom already existing, you're not going to see further unification. And, combined, both of those states - with the PS added in some form - should be able to beat it, too. Lordganon (talk) 02:47, December 8, 2013 (UTC)
The kingdom already being there would be a major buzzkill for such nationalism.
Quite frankly, neither Piedmont or Sicily were all that into Italy in that regard until it became politically convenient otl. Can't see either of them doing that.
Unless there is some sort of reward for either side, I doubt it. Italy, and possibly Sicily could have some decent motivation, but not on different sides, necessarily. Italian ambitions towards Venice and the Veneto, Sicilian ambitions towards Malta and Tunisia. Possible that you could see Piedmont-Sardinia desire Corsica and some other islands, but that is more debatable. But them opposing their neighbors is less likely. It all depends on external alliances, and really would not lead to them conquering each other.
Republican Party? You mean otl? Possibly, but I doubt it. Just the political cycle rehashing itself again. Happens every few decades.
Could have sworn that you said it wasn't earlier. Meh. Make that Trentino and Istria, then. Same principle.
Italy would have no cause to fight them, and it would be suicidal for Piedmont to do so. Not that smart for Sicily to do it, either. Command of the sea, overall.
Not impossible to have them align with Germany, I suppose, but highly unlikely. Would make less sense than in otl for them to do so, and you know how that turned out.
Unless you have an independent Confederacy, cannot see the Americans allying with anyone. Completely out of their nature to do it.
With or without Lincoln, there would be no split in the party.
For the most part, "align" is just another word for "ally."
I would bet on the peninsula states jumping one side or the other late in the conflict. Fair chance that the Ottos stay neutral.
Doubtful that things in Latin America would draw them in. Brits would likely care very little about those areas by that time.
Situation for both the blacks and southerners would be much better with Lincoln in charge. You'd see the south let back in at least a decade sooner, civil rights guaranteed to a far better degree, and things as a whole advancing several decades. You'd see black figures high-up in the 50s and 60s, rather than the last couple decades.
Not saying that they can't be closer to the Germans - just that they aren't going to actually ally with anyone. The general logistics of a war in Europe would count against any idea of an American intervention, too, especially on the side of the Germans.
Still, a USA more in line with Germany than the Brits would hake things up quite a bit. All you need is the right things happening to make it happen.
Not plausible to have the Confederates get that, Nk. Ever, really.
Have the French forces in Mexico win and stay in control for a decade or two. That alone would have the USA be more pro-German.
Any American involvement in the war - what you describe is still that - would really be illogical, Nk. No reason for it, and it would have no point for them.
Bonapartes... right after the Mexico scheme blows up. Call it the early 1880s.
Nothing short of armed intervention would get the Confederates independence. And even that is more debatable than most people think. Really, Brits would not intervene in that way even with such an event in California.
Assumed that something akin to otl would happen in Mexico with France. But, given things, I would imagine that they would do something still, probably in this case with some British backing. US won't like them trying to prop up that regime in Mexico - it won't be a popular one, I tell you that. Foreign, among other things.
You're not going to see Bonapartes or Republicans in power after such a war - it would be Bourbons.
I'm saying that not even with relations bad because of such past events in California would they intervene. Brits would stay out.
Yes - Bonapartes, Bourbons, Bonapartes, Bourbons. You're talking about a France where the Republicans are the somewhat discredited ones, not the monarchists like in otl.
After your WWII, I would actually suspect that the Bourbons stay on the throne, though the monarch would change - their opponents aren't republicans, after all. But you're going to finally see a very constitutional monarchy put into place - which your France would be severely lacking prior to that date. One of the Bourbons that had opposed their relative would get the throne - nephew or cousin, probably, thought not an Orleanist.
The Orleanist faction would not exist here, so there would be no "Philippe VII" coming to power in the 1860s. That's when you would see the Bonapartes return - some sort of coup.
There are many, many, ways that you could get the Brits opposed to the US and vice-versa. Not only is a Confederacy in that context somewhat ASB, but it would run more or less counter to your goals.
No, you wouldn't see a "brutal" modern era.
I am reluctant to give much information regarding where your movements will end up, becuase being unsure of where you are is part of the fun of the game. I will tell you that your current movements are bringing you into an area where a sea-faring semi-tropical nation would be likeley to develop, so as long as you keep doing what you're doing, you'll be all right.
AVA Sino-Japanese Treaty
I'm trying to get to a cooperation and perhaps union in the future between Japan and China. However, I think we should have some more freedom of the civilians between out two nations such that my scientists and generals can study and fight for your nation.Ninjasvswarriors (talk) 09:15, December 11, 2013 (UTC)
Please don't for the moment? I'm in the middle of adding new things to the algo and I want to see how they work out- for instance, Power as a multiplier...
19:19, December 15, 2013 (UTC)
OHH kk, I'll be interested to see how that works.
19:27, December 15, 2013 (UTC)
Can we pull a joint intervention in South Africa? Or something of that sort?
22:10, December 19, 2013 (UTC) Hey, nk, could you post for Britain? Just till the 31st. -- 14:35, December 27, 2013 (UTC) Oh, just 'improves Af, improves economy, improves navy' -- 02:54, December 28, 2013 (UTC)
Re: Road to War
Oh, I'm sorry, I didn't see the rules and it looked interesting. Thank you.
No apologies necessary, I understand.
Road to War MG
I have neaver played in the croaked world before wtf are u talking about. OCT MARIUS, HAIL HIM
I don't know.Especially because if this lie is followed correctly, i'll lose Manaus, and i can't have that.So, the best idea having that in mind would be say, following the Amazonas until the Rio Negro, and continuing the line from there.--Collie Kaltenbrunner (talk) 15:10, February 7, 2014 (UTC)
To be fair, i wasn't exactly thinking about the rubber.i was thinking in keeping as much of Brazil's bigger cities as possible.but i guess that can be important too.And about that, okay.--Collie Kaltenbrunner (talk) 15:32, February 7, 2014 (UTC)
PM3: Call to War
Seeming as the Austrians have finally decided to find a way to attack, it is time to crush them.
I need you and all your vassals to join the war full on so we can crush Austria.
As soon as we win the war I can offer you Trier, which will be probably better taken on as a vassal but you can annex if you want.
Thanks for all help.
please join chat. i need yor input on a Japanese Civl War event im writing -Nova 19:43, February 19, 2014 (UTC)
It looks good.However, i saw the population thing, and i would like to suggest that you add a value for less than 1 million people because there still are nations with less than 1 million people in 1914 (i guess the game starts in this date).--Collie Kaltenbrunner (talk) 14:16, February 24, 2014 (UTC)
Hey! I'm very to new to the wiki.. like a few days, but am very knowledgeable about history. I'd like to try out a map game, is it okay if i join RTW? I can usually get on everyday besides Sunday, if you are looking for an active player.
I'm allowed to take an unclaimed country once my country is taken out of the picture, right? If so, I think I'll just stick with Belgium until you defeat us brutally. Then I'll switch to Chile or Mexico.
Alright I will make sure not to interfere with other peoples edits.I was confused with what to do, as I have not spent much time on Wikis. Thanks for clarifying that for me. HungryLayne (talk) 00:37, February 28, 2014 (UTC)
Domain of Canada: (If Spain's player gets kicked I want that instead.) The Domain of Canada's primary focus is to cultivate the large amounts of natural recourses in Canada, mainly timber, ores, and petroleum. We seek to increase trade between Canada, the US, and the Mother Country. Military and infrastrucutre are improved. Plans to improve the Quebec,Toronto, and Ottowa metros are drafted. What is this????Is this a signature??? (talk) 22:11, March 5, 2014 (UTC)
I can take those positions if needed for your game if you need me to. I prefer Russia over France but any would be nice. Thank you for giving me this offer. Saturn120 (talk) 22:38, March 5, 2014 (UTC)
(Ex.) Japan we start working on our armor production for our army. We are making this armor out of bronze, which is used in horse protection and weaponry. We are setting up academies all over the island so we can recruit higher generals and get more men for our military and leadership. Saturn120 (talk) 02:08, March 6, 2014 (UTC)
Define Minor Power
also I was wondering if I could be a minor power (such as Jabal Shammar) in the RTW I see that you have the less than 1,000 edit rule and saw that you need permission from the mods to play. Just wanna know if I can be a small country or so :-) Saturn120 (talk) 23:42, March 6, 2014 (UTC)
Hi im wondering if I own Easter Island on RTW. In real life Chile owned easter Island at that time, however it isnt colored, so im not sure if I own it in the game. Thanks. HungryLayne (Talk) 00:46, March 8, 2014 (UTC)
Belgians were not too bad - same as Germans, more or less, would be. It was only under the personal rule of the Belgian King prior to Belgian control that it was bad. Made SW Africa look nice.
Yes, a monarchical revanchist regime would be likely in France.
I am quite busy, as my LOTR game and AM1 game are going to start this week. I love mapmaking, but my plate is full, and to be honest, I don't know if I am the right choice, as I have been ridiculed for my mapmaking in PM3, but honored and praised in others. SwankyJ (talk) 05:58, April 11, 2014 (UTC)
Quite frankly, all it would likely do is delay the result. Majority-Catholic country, including virtually all areas.
As for Bohemia, no. Not that they would want to be "liberated."
Little effect on the Dutch.
Really, it just serves as a greater distraction overall, and delays conflicts over religion elsewhere for a bit.
Only dispute they had with the Hapsburgs was religion, and that lasted only a very short time. They were not "wary" at all.
Here are the flags as promised.
Road to war.
Hello, so as i mentioned on the talk page, i expressed intrest in taking the empire of brazil, but i waited for you're offical yes or no, so I didnt switch. Now a new user has taken Brazil. I am wondering if the fact i expressed intrest gave me a claim over him. Ill pikc a diffrent nation if it doesn't. Just wondering. If you are wondering, he signed up about a day after I had posted on the talk page. "Today is the day of Reckoning sir, You screwed up... You screwed up..." 00:55, April 26, 2014 (UTC)
No can do. I can't see anything posted there anymore, idk. I've tried it on 3 different browsers.
Anything you want, do it in code here.
23:01, April 29, 2014 (UTC)
Here's what I'll do; you can have trade posts and etc, but they don't exceed 1 px each. This is only in my lands and the lands I'm planning on gaining. Elsewhere, idc.
23:03, April 29, 2014 (UTC)
Moluccas are slightly beyond where I'm plausibly going to expand.
Sunda, on the other hand...
Do you mean the Islands? In that case, HELL no. That's GIGANTIC and I already control a large chink of it. By the time you can colonize there, I'll own most of it.
Elsewise, please, post a map saying what you want.
23:34, April 29, 2014 (UTC)
Moluccas are fine. Sunda, well, idk about that, that's under my control currently. Why don't you take Western Australia instead?
00:13, April 30, 2014 (UTC)
Actually, nvm, I've got Majapahit, not Sunda, yet.
Still, Sunda will be in my core. It's next on my hit list. That island, I'm sorry, I'm hoping to take it all.
Also, I've already got western trade and etc- I've been allowed free passage through the Philidelphi Canal, and I'll be trading with the Romans soon, the most advanced nation on Earth medically speaking. In other ways, we're more advanced than you- we've had movable type for hundreds of years. With most of Europe, I'd prefer "leave me alone" to "let's be friends".
What I don't want is war. But I'll go there if I have to. Molucca is fine, have it. The rest, sorry.
00:34, April 30, 2014 (UTC)
Molucca, Sulawesi, and Jakarta. Cool.
00:47, April 30, 2014 (UTC)
21:46, April 30, 2014 (UTC)
This is to tell you that the map game Return of Battle for Earth has begun. If you have already posted, please disregard this message.23:27, May 4, 2014 (UTC)
Hey. AM 1 started. Please post your turn. http://althistory.wikia.com/wiki/Ancient_Mediterranean_(Map_Game) SwankyJ (talk) 20:22, May 6, 2014 (UTC)
If it appears that Scandinavia cannot hold it's own, then Albion will have no choice but to aid our allies.ALLONS-Y!!,Basically, RUN!! 20:54, May 10, 2014 (UTC)
Sunda and PM3
K, the agreement is up, I'm making my move on Sunda and assorted, and if you give me aid, I'll give you Jakarta (and maybe a bit more).
20:55, May 10, 2014 (UTC)
Done, if you send actual troops. I can provide ships and etc, if that's the problem, but I need at least 20,000 Dutch soldiers. In that case, you get the Deluxe package:
- Free trade in Ayutthaya and her vassals
- The city of Jakarta and environs
- Ayutthayan aid in any war in Asia
- Increased trade with Ayutthaya
- Some of our ship and gun designs (we have the largest siege guns on the planet, at the moment, to the best of my knowledge).
Cheers,21:29, May 10, 2014 (UTC)
2,500, and no siege guns for you. -_-
21:45, May 10, 2014 (UTC)
I can live with 2000.
23:38, May 10, 2014 (UTC)
Not yet... war in Sunda has not yet begun. Pagaruyung, Selebar, and Tulang Bawang have all fallen; Sunda is the last, and it's war will come in 1501.
20:15, May 12, 2014 (UTC)
Blank mapHere's the PMIII map blank.
K, so Sunda has fallen, and Jakarta is yours.I'm just posting a map of what our agreement for land is, tell me any discrepencies.
21:36, May 13, 2014 (UTC)
Whoops, forgot. My bad.
23:49, May 13, 2014 (UTC)
Re:Coronae et cruces
Sounds good to me. I'm planning on turning east and building a big state like the Lithuanians did OTL, so you're welcome to Prussia and Lithuania. I'll need help against Sweden and Denmark until I can build up my military.Krasnoyarsk (talk) 22:00, May 14, 2014 (UTC)
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In South East Asia, it appears as though you're planning on acquiring all of the land for yourself so allow me to inform you that'll be keeping the following
1. Timor 2. Guinea 3. Islands below Majapahit and above Marrikuwuyanga 4. All the islands to the East of Guinea
~ RexImperio aka Marrikuwuyanga Empire
Again, I'm not going to stop you from creating your own Napoleonic Timeline that isn't a simple rehash of what I have done. Just remember that the Suez Canal wasn't built until 1857, so a bit out of the time frame. However, with Napoleon in Egypt and the British Fleet there destroyed, that will make a difference for him becoming Emperor, and how the British will respond to that. Tbguy1992; Talk; Blog 20:52, May 20, 2014 (UTC)
Don't wee why Fredrick would not have had a child with Amelia.
Prussian military was in good shape fro the revolution. Problem is, the French used numbers at first, and then completely new tactics, to beat them. Not much they could do about that.
Really, he came nowhere close to dying on any of those occasions. And in a lot of ways, I don't think that Trafalgar would have went much differently had someone else been in command. Just would not have been so resounding.
As part of the marriage concept proposed, the heir to the British throne, Frederick (father of otl George III) would have married Frederick's (Prussia) sister as well.
Reason why it well apart, Austrians managed to bribe a couple people into making a minor international incident, inflaming the King of Prussia, who then demanded some insane things in return for the marriages going through. British King wasn't all that keen on the idea anyway, so... didn't happen.
Long-term effects, strong alliance between the Brits and Prussians. Do very little to curb Prussian moves, and lead to the two being far more likely on the same side in all of the wars during the 1700s.
Would not be happy about it, but would they'd probably back Prussia. France would then oppose. Spain would likely go kind of halfway between the sides, fighting both the Brits and Austrians. Lordganon (talk) 07:02, May 30, 2014 (UTC)
More or less allied with neither of them. Bavaria probably would be aligned with Brits, though they likely would not support the claim.
Greatly hurt, no. More of a prestige thing than anything.
France, Austria, Russia. Other small states, too hard to tell. Most of France's otl allies in that war were Spanish-aligned, so they are out.
Brits, Prussia, Bavaria, Sweden, Hanover. Some more German states. Probably Dutch too.
Spain, however, already at war with the Brits - and with goods reason to want to fight Austria. But not France. Dutch would join against Spain.
So, third side - at war with Austria and Brits - Spain and Naples/Sicily.
Odds of its survival, at least during Napoleon's lifetime, would have been good. His son, more debatable.
western Germany would get rather Frenchified. Was not far off for a long time otl.
They'd have likely given naval support to Prussia in such a war. But, overall, that would mean another round of fighting between the Brits and the French/Spanish. War of Austrian Succession would go on still. You won't see any kind of dismemberment or the like of the Austrian Empire, however.
They would win. Picture otl, more or less.
A victory? Take the first offer the Coalition gives instead of refusing it.
No, they really would not. Overall pattern would probably go back to what it had been in the 1700s.
The three central/eastern powers would all have an interest in beating France down, especially Prussia and Austria. Rivalry would be little to nothing.
Brits general rule of thumb - they care little about the continent.
The battle of Naissus... loss there would mean little. Romans win next battle. However, it might cost them the emperor and the otl next one. Complicates things.
Like OTL Israel or in another location cause as it stands im relatively okay with an israel as long as we say fuck it and give them more territory and let them be more of a regional power and prevent the OTL Palestinian crisis too.
Treaty of Tapu
Just by chance, in a turn, could you post a reference to the Rikisiate of Nikobara such as stopping by, and merchants greeting the Rikisi. It is an independant state I propped up, and I'm afraid I'll be the only person recongnising it. Saamwiil, the Humble 02:03, June 6, 2014 (UTC)
RE: Jewish in the Netherlands
That moderator event was a reference to Martin Luther, who in OTL wrote a book of the same name. It is not so much a reflection of the Netherlands, but a reflection of the Reformist movement as a whole, and will probably have a much bigger impact in Germany and other less tolerant areas, than the Netherlands (if you want). What I meant was that the guy happens to be Dutch (given that you're the only Reformist nation), but it doesn't necessarily have to have an impact on the Netherlands. You brought up a good point about the policy of the Netherlands, so I will amend that part. Sorry, I wasn't trying to force you into some sort of position where your nation has to be anti-Semitic, but reflect OTL prejudice that existed at this time. Thanks, Mscoree (talk) 01:23, June 18, 2014 (UTC)
Japan and the East Indies
I don't have any immediate plans on taking land, I'm more interested in consolidating Japan at the moment. My only real designs for the area revolve around halting Spanish dominance, especially now they've taken the Philippines, which I imagine would also be in your interests. Ozymandias2 (talk) 12:20, June 20, 2014 (UTC)
- Yeah, sorry. I saw Prussia colonize America and though it was the best thing ever. Kurt Cobain's Haircut (talk)
Road to War 2 (map game).
I would like to join when you create it. I would like to be Argentina. I have made a 1880 map, made a possible Nav'box for the game and got up a list of nations all ready for when you want to launch it ready.Whipsnade (talk) 21:11, July 6, 2014 (UTC)
Welcome to the Map game!
So I recently made my first turn as the Netherlands, which you can look over. Let me know if you have any plans you want me to execute (on another wiki for secrecy if you want) and I will try to follow them to the best of my ability.
While writing I thought of a few questions I wanted to ask you.
- What is Jakarta called? Batavia like in OTL?
- What is Singapore called?
- What flag do we currently use?
- Who is your current ruler?
- What is your royal family like? (I'm going to try and make a page to list that kind of stuff)
No Diplomatic Revolution
Only effect the French and Austrians not allying has is to change who sides with who in the wars.
New France is screwed - fact of the matter is, it had no more than 70k people in it, compared to more than 2 million people in the British colonies. Brits also control the seas, so no French reinforcements after war breaks out. Do the math.
I think you originally wanted France for the second age of imperialism, so you can go sign up for it now if you want. I erased your claim because I heard you were leaving. So if you want, go sign up for it. Saturn120.
Pricess Victoria AKA Viky and and Prince Frederick will fall in love. I am not interested in Africa beyond- Sudan, Egypt, S.Africa, Namibia and Botswana; so there will be space. Whipsnade (talk) 17:52, August 21, 2014 (UTC)
I am going on sick leave for several days due to flue and stomach cramp for a few days. Nkbeaching, Dax and Stephanus Rex can run the game until I return. I give controle the British to Nkbeaching untill I return.Whipsnade (talk) 19:14, August 25, 2014 (UTC)
Sure, should we discuss the terms for you to play as them? I was thinking you can basically do as you want and expand and what not, but join me in wars when needed and go through me for diplomacy. You'd continue to be my colony until maybe 1850, and then I'd release you as a sort of dominion. Is that alright? Tr0llis (talk) 14:12, August 28, 2014 (UTC)
If you wouldn't mind I'd like to stay as the Netherlands, although if you have any suggestions for cool stuff we can do I'd be happy to hear it. The reason I hadn't posted in a few turns was because I was away for the week. Now that I'm back though, is our previous deal still okay? Tr0llis (talk) 19:04, October 1, 2014 (UTC)
Why Is The Chat Not Working For Me
Could You tell me why the chat is not working. Also Why was Local's turn crossed out. Is the war still happening? - Scarlet Outlaw
Remember, there's A RAT in separate.
Yeah definently I will change it as soon as I can. I didn't know it was a Nazi symbol until I saw it in recent activity I thought it was just a red eagle.
Dutch Civil War
Spain has officially given its full support through Spain and Italy. Enjoy it, and lets end this civil war.
World War I has just started in the game and we need France to join. Join with the UK in general trench fighting and phoney wars.
02:27, November 19, 2014 (UTC)
Re-An Orange Dynasty
Thanks for the compliments, and I've got to say I'm looking forward to seeing what you could fit into your new timeline. Also, don't worry to much about the 'poor grammar', I bet a ton of people can read what you type just fine. RichMill | Talk 12:22, December 13, 2014 (UTC)
Quietly into the Night
The Game has started please post and enjoy the game
Oda Nobunaga lives longer, then he unifies Japan instead of Toyotomi Hideyoshi, who succeeds him still. Little changes in most ways, though I bet the Chinese adventure does not occur.
Quite frankly, if those plots had worked, France is screwed. Going Protestant outright is possible, and so is the nation collapsing.
Bet he has an "accident."
Ok, this is what I would like. Try and stick to the script SVP and thanks for helping out.
Tomorrow's turn: 1936
Switzerland is now considered to be officially out of the depression though the economy still has room for improvement. Conscription sees troop numbers increase to 240,000. More people join the Civil Defense Corps as auxiliary nurses/doctors, fire servicepeople and home defense. Work continues on the redoubt though the government is shifting priority to a modern system of motorways in the country.
Sunday's turn: 1936.5
Switzerland's military is increased to a wartime high of 278,000 people. The government begins to prepare for the election of a general, which will happen in 1937, as well as general elections. The country holds the largest air-raid drills in Zurich and Bern in August. Martini cars are exported for the first time in significant numbers, though still holding a small share of the European market. • 16:56, February 20, 2015 (UTC)
It is important you come to chat as soon as possible. Cheers.14:38, February 21, 2015 (UTC)
If you could come on chat in the near future, I would like to discuss something with you.
Joint project in AvA
The Netherlands - PM3
Hey Nk, I know a you have lent your nation to people like Trollis before, so I was wondering if I could take your place as the Netherlands. I've been a protectorate of you (and the Netherlands) for a while, and I am looking to experience the European side of PM3. If I get to play I hope to update the nation page and attempt to post daily. If I play as them for a while and you want it back, I will give it to you at any moment. I understand if you decline, but thanks for considering, if you want to talk more in-depth about it, contact me on my talk page, or hit me up on chat. Thanks!03:23, March 17, 2015 (UTC)
Why were my corrections changed back?
Dawn of War
Dawn of War has started, Please refer to me if you have any questions about your nations or the game. Have Fun and Enjoy
Just thought I'd tell you Brandenburg should vote in the Holy Roman Imperial election in 95T. It has the deciding vote, since the election's a 3-way tie at present. Shikata ga nai! 00:09, February 18, 2016 (UTC)
Hi, Nk. Just wanted to ask you to vote in favor of Frederick III von Wettin, Prince-Elector of Saxony, for the position of Emperor of the Holy Roman Empire. You can vote here. Reximus | Talk to Me! 01:46, February 18, 2016 (UTC)
NFT (Ninety-Five Theses)
Emperor John the Steadfast is due to die in 1532. I would appreciate your support in voting for John Frederick von Wettin, his son, to succeed him as Emperor and to continue the period of Evangelical dominance in the HRE. Reximus | Talk to Me! 06:34, February 29, 2016 (UTC)
Act of Ambition
This is a notifcation to say Act of Ambition (Map Game) the map game which you signed up for has started and therefore you can now post your first turn on this new game. Person67 (talk) 17:57, May 31, 2016 (UTC)
Elsha of Brandenburg, Otto's Wife
Hey Nk, I noticed that you said Otto and young Otto and "many other members of the Brandenburg family" convert formally to the Reformed Church in your PMIV post for 1470 and 1471: I know that I don't formally control Elsha, but I think it would make sense to say that she remains with the mainstream Catholic church, given that she was a secular canoness once and is probably still very committed to the Catholic Church. Would you agree? Nonsensicaljourney (talk) 13:50, September 27, 2016 (UTC)
http://mapgame.wikia.com/wiki/World_War:_1913_(Map_Game) the game has been moved due to a urgency to play-Orwell
Chat soon? ~Oct
Hey again Nk - if you could please reply to the Council of Cologne for Brandenburger delegates, that would be awesome xD (My city has basically been taken over by the Council so every turn is like "the Council continues" //end turn) Nonsensicaljourney (talk) 10:35, November 30, 2016 (UTC)
Hey Nk, I'm keen to get this Imperial Diet off the ground. What's the deal with voting? (What kind of majority do we need to pass reforms?) I'm a tiny bit overtired atm but I figure it'll be awesome if we don't have a council that lasts for ten or twenty years haha Nonsensicaljourney (talk) 22:09, December 4, 2016 (UTC)
thanks for Adrianne, since the currant king is dieing from liver cancer
we should invest into buckwheat since it can be dried and turn in to mulitple meals
in the Kolar you simply repalce the actaion on it and it can be beat the hell uop and still work remeber bohemia is part of czech rep who made great guns like the vz.58 and the vz skorpain Bibleboyd316 (talk) 22:23, January 11, 2017 (UTC)
I need coast line in ether the baltic sea or the adriatic sea for tradeing im eyeing the city of Pula, and dont worry i will keep you in power there will be a new crown next turn King Kristoff II Bibleboyd316 (talk) 22:33, January 11, 2017 (UTC)
just trade through me we can arrange a trade agreement or something.With Blood and Iron (talk) 22:36, January 11, 2017 (UTC)
I have a deal to make you that you are gonna love, talk to me on chat and let your worries be gone.
Dealing with Bulgira and Russia
scraw is such a faggot god these people are dickheads
Rise of the Arabs (Map Game)
Thanks - I've posted in 1581 about the Germany-wide road network and a potential judicial system (which OTL was established in the late 1400s, so we should probably get onto that if we haven't already). I'm happy to supply academics and infrastructure etc. If you could please reply to both of these, and my secret secularisation deal, that would be awesome. :) Nonsensicaljourney (talk) 23:12, January 24, 2017 (UTC)
Hey again Nk - sorry I've been disappearing frequently. Please know that I'm still actively wanting to play, but I've just had a bunch of family things come up recently. Please just let me know a few days before you put the secularisation in place :) Much appreciated, Nonsensicaljourney (talk) 13:19, February 2, 2017 (UTC)
Sorry I was walking to class. A Russo-Japanese state could work as Russia and Japan will go to war over Sakha and we both will establish colonies in Pacific Siberia. --[[User:KawaiiKame|카와이카매] ([[User talk:|카와이카매talk]]) 17:30, January 31, 2017 (UTC)
I was sleeping and I wasn't there in the chat. And yes I saw you posted me that if I stick with you and Burgundy I'm afraid it might go wrong. Even though what Austria is afraid is two of you (Prussia and Burgundy) could prove a major threat to that nation. Had a chat discussion with BearCavalry with that. Great showing. B23 (talk) 14:15, March 1, 2017 (UTC)
our new world deal
as of now i don't know the pin point of the deals, so until then the deal is basically gone or in limbo
Like on discord?
Argentine History and Language
Okay I really don't know the language, or history of Argentine in this timeline, do you have any idea?
Paraguay is not a great interest to us, we'll gladly ditch that claim, but southern Chaku is in our interests as Argentine settlements are there, and a good amount.
It's a deal.
You're the most confusing person ever. You say that we split up the chaku region according to OTL borders, then apparently we haven't even agreed to anything when we have, so I don't know what to tell you. I'd rather have war then trying to figure out the heck you mean, to me it seems like you keep acting like certain things we didn't agree too, just so you could make me agree and then turn back and use it against me. If you could please debrief what the heck you're agreeing to, that would be great.
Alright, I agree to them, now let's make a treaty
Merry Christmas! Check my latest turn on PM4 ;) you'll get a surprise! I hope for the best today and have a merry Christmas!
I am planning to join PM4 as Prussia but in all honesty I don’t know that much about it ATL. Could you give me a brief overview of its history, it’s ruling family (King and his dynasty), it Military strength etc.
Thank you so much for your help.
The Great Peace
Hello NK! I have come here to inform you that the Great Peace has begun! Please post your turn while you can!
Why did you revert my spelling corrections?
Let's negotiate the peace agreement here: Treaty of Chengdu (The Great Peace Map Game)
hey i might by pushing but is For Plunder, Valhalla and Angland has been cancel
Poland in MdM
Hi there, this is the Saxony player from MdM. After the Polish king died in the game, I believe candidates were requested, and I put forward Shadrach de la Marck. However, the Mods said you should tell us more about how POland is set up first, before any royal election happens.
What's your discord