Don't forget to categorise your Vegetarian World pages. --Sikulu 13:06, 15 September 2006 (UTC)

I must say, I like the way your timeline is going. Perhaps a few more maps would be usefull to illustrate your timeline more (me like maps, mmm). --Sikulu 09:46, 27 September 2006 (UTC)
Hey, thanks! I'm glad you like it! I have also noticed that you're updating a lot of stuff, too, and I like what I've seen so far. I'll try to add some more maps! (I like them, too.) --Riction 11:14, 27 September 2006 (UTC)
Glad you like them. --Sikulu 12:29, 29 September 2006 (UTC)
You should check out my pages again. Most have maps, I wrote about the "Pan-Global War", and there are tons of photos of Sundarapore! --Riction 10:00, 30 September 2006 (UTC)
I've recategorised several of your Vegetarian World pages (the main category page was getting rather cluttered). I hope you don't mind (some of those images had red links to categories, so I assumed that you were going to recategorise them in the future). Anyway, I like the photos. --Sikulu 10:48, 10 October 2006 (UTC)
OK, if you really want... as Sikulu said, it clutters the category pretty badly. There are also other possibilities to keep check of your pages, like the watching list.--Max Sinister 14:05, 3 December 2007 (UTC)
OK, I'll get my pages to the main category page and then think about how I can streamline it while keeping it easy to get to a page at a glance. One thing, like with the Netherlands, you changed it from being in the "European countries" category to the "Netherlands" category. Should I not add any more pages to the "European countries" category and instead put them into the particular country category? And what of countries that don't exist in other timelines? --Riction 00:55, 4 December 2007 (UTC)
IMO you should use "European countries" only if there's no OTL equivalent.--Max Sinister 08:33, 4 December 2007 (UTC)

Reply to your message

Hello again. Firstly, to answer your questions:

  • The banner saying that you have ... message(s) on your talk page only applies when someone posts on your talk page. "Watching" a page simply makes the name of that page bold when you view it on "Recent Changes", or it shows up on your watchlist.
  • Secondly, you don't have to "watch" each page. Just look them up occasionally, just to check, or check on the "Recent Changes" page.
  • Finally, there is no real "best" way to communicate on a wiki. If you want to comment on what a particular page states, post on to that page's talk page. If you want something slightly more urgent, or perhaps in more detail, or maybe you just want a hand with something, go to the user talk page in question.

As for the categorisation, you're quite welcome. Besides, the other admins and I are in a bit of a categorisation frenzy at the moment. Glad I could help. If you need any more help, just post on my talk page. --Sikulu 15:17, 12 October 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for the info. --Riction 23:34, 12 October 2006 (UTC)

Orphaned Pages

The following pages have been orphaned (no links to them) from your Vegetarian World Timeline:

  1. List of Nations (Vegetarian World)
  2. List of Countries by HDI (Vegetarian World)
  3. List of Metropolitan Areas by Population (Vegetarian World)
  4. Sovereignty (Vegetarian World)
  5. World (Vegetarian World)

Louisiannan 23:28, 20 November 2006 (UTC)

Please read

Please read this page. --Sikulu 10:42, 12 March 2007 (UTC)

City Names

In the next segment or the one after in my timeline I'm going to be briefly using cities equivalent to Hiroshima and Kawasaki in location, I was wondering if you would have any sort of suggestions for likely alternate names. I don't know if it helps (or makes it harder) that Japan was under the Heians for most of its 'recent' history (970-1310).--TEAKAY 12:47, 23 September 2007 (UTC)

Hmm... So is the Japanese language the same in your world or different? "Hiroshima" literally means "wide island", although it's strangely not on an island. ("Shima" or the ending "-jima", as in "Iwo Jima", means island.) Kawasaki means "river promontory", I guess meaning a headland or ridge along the river. If you are looking for a variation or historical version of Japanese, I can try to change them into that (although I'm not sure if my results would be accurate), or you can give me the meanings you're looking for and I can translate that into Japanese. --Riction 14:20, 28 September 2007 (UTC)
A historical version OR variation would be fine. The languages and words I've been using throughout the althist have not been precision engineered, only superficially changed or combined, unfortunately oweing to my linguistic ignorance. So far I have been able to come up with alternate names and terms, but that's because so many of the existing languages I'm using are (at least mostly) extinct and I could more easily come up with changes. I'm treading thin ice with what I've been doing with Chinese as it is and Japanese in my timeline encountered less... event-induced deviations I guess... So the variations would be present but less noticable in the Japanese language.--TEAKAY 15:22, 28 September 2007 (UTC)
Well, I'm currently teaching in Saitama. The "sai" in that name is the same kanji as "saki" in Kawasaki. However, its pronunciation was shortened. (Like how "Greenwich" probably sounded like "Green" and "wich" before, but if we spelled phonetically, we would now spell it more like "Grennich".) Maybe Kawasaki could be "Kawasai".
Now, as for an older version of Japanese, this is all conjectural just based on the little information about old Japanese that I have, but in olden days, the "H" was pronounced as "ɸ", similar to "F". (Earlier, it might have sounded like a "P", but this probably disappeared by the Heian period.) Also, in modern Japanese, the "shi" sound would be more like a simple "si" - thus, "Hiroshima" would probably be spelled and pronounced something like "Firosima".
I believe that if you want something closer to older versions of Japanese, the modern "Kawasaki" would be better than "Kawasai", but if you just want some interesting variation, "Kawasai" might be better. You can even change it up more, as in certain situations, "K" changes to a "G" and "S" changes to "Z" (although in our world, they usually don't change in the beginning of words) so you could have "Kawazai", "Gawazai", or even "Gawasai" if you wanted. ("AI" could be put together to form "E", so it could be "Gawaze", etc, if you really wanted to go overboard. This would probably require that the language started diverging at least a good few hundred years before the era this name is found in, and this Japanese would be unintelligible to OTL old or modern Japanese...unless this only happened in place names (like we say "Grennich" but still say "green", not "gren".) "Hiroshima" could be "Firosima" as said, or "Birozima" (or even "Virozima", which would certainly not be any old or modern Japanese word) or something else. That's not going by old Japanese, but it's some linguistic change that could have happened.
Or, you could go with something else entirely. The Tama River separates Kawasaki and Tokyo. If Kawasaki is the main city and Tokyo (which would be "Edo" or a variant thereof) was just a suburb (as Kawasaki is today), Kawasaki's name could be "Tama". Hiroshima, as I said, is not on an island yet means "wide island", so it could be "Hirono" (広野) or "Hirohara"/"Hirobara" (広原) (or Firono or Firofara...or Filono, etc...), which would mean something more like "wide field/plain". Or create something completely new... I hope this helped. --Riction 13:45, 29 September 2007 (UTC)
:D It really helped a lot, thank-you --TEAKAY 15:00, 29 September 2007 (UTC)
No problem! --Riction 08:53, 30 September 2007 (UTC)

Another name request, it's for Borneo Island, I looked up words, trying to make a name like High Island: Waridaka Jima=>Waridajima something like that (I know it probably looks real bad) but I would appreciate a suggestion. The timeline situation is still the same as above--TEAKAY 20:26, 24 February 2008 (UTC)

"High Island" would probably be Takashima (高島). I think that "waridaka" has more of a meaning of high as in "pretty expensive". Of course, the "daka" of waridaka and the "taka" of Takashima mean the same thing, which can alternatively mean "high" or "tall". (Used strictly as an adjective, it would take the form "takai", but in place names, the final "i" usually doesn't show up.) And, of course, "shima" is the same as the "jima" of your "Waridaka Jima". The "t" and "sh" are sometimes voiced into "d" and "j" respectively, depending on the context, but you probably already knew that. I have to say that most of the time, the Japanese still say place names without slurring the sounds together, so 90% of the time, you can tell the meaning of a place name just by hearing it spoken (unlike places with etymologies that are hard to figure out). So, probably, it would stay "Takashima". However, if, say, a variant of Japanese were spoken there, and especially if kanji (the Chinese characters) were written less, then I suppose it could morph into "Tajima" over time. Otherwise, Takashima would probably stay put. I hope this helps, and definitely let me know if you have any other questions about naming places or other things in Japanese. It's fun for me. In my Easternized World, I'm gonna try to add many such Japanese and Chinese place names, usually without explanation, which interested people could try to piece together the meanings of. Here is a great site for looking up both Chinese and Japanese kanji, as well as looking up their meanings (if you copy and paste them, or write them in their Chinese pronunciation). (After looking up characters, click the "Character Detail" tab for some info on Japanese pronunciations. It's pretty cool. --Riction 23:30, 24 February 2008 (UTC)
:D Thank-you again for your help--TEAKAY 19:53, 26 February 2008 (UTC)

Can you help start these Althistories?

I am having trouble finding someone to begin my althistories. Could you help? They are listed on my user page. I can directly link them to you if you want and do not hesitate to ask me questions. --Dynamo ace 18:06, 27 September 2007 (UTC)

I'd probably be able to start an althistory but I don't think I'll have time to add much to it after that point (especially seeing as how I just bought a new video game system and for the first time can play via the internet with a home console...hehe). If you'd like, I'll get started on one, but it would be good if you could find people who would add more to it later on, or it might just get deleted after a while, owing to a lack of content. The one about Japan joining the allies in WWII sounds intriguing. But if I did that one, I'd need to have some idea of what you'd want Japan to be. If you want it to be a "good" nation, the POD would have to be set farther back, as on the eve of WWII, it had already killed countless Chinese and was very much war-mongering. If you want it to be a "bad" nation that makes a truce with the allies, then the POD can be later on. See if anyone else is interested and if so, tell me what kind of Japan you would like to see both back then and in present day (if the althist gets this far).--Riction 14:30, 28 September 2007 (UTC)

Some lonely pages

Hi Riction, some pages of your TL are "lonely", i.e. not linked from other pages, just the category. Check Special:Lonelypages.--Max Sinister 21:14, 27 November 2007 (UTC)

Ideas page

I just moved your Ideas Page out of the Main Space as I don't think it really belongs there. It's a great idea though, I think I'm going to make one too :). --Karsten vK (talk) 15:19, 1 December 2007 (UTC)

Thanks! That's right...I forgot that I could have sub-pages of my main user page, so I created it the only way I remembered. Although I've been using wiki-type pages for quite a while now, I still haven't learned (or have forgotten) many things. If I make more pages like that, I'll be sure to follow your example. --Riction 03:31, 2 December 2007 (UTC)

Cool stuff and some comments

Hey (I think this is "dw" haha!) Just some quick impressions, some countries that really need flags dont have them. Inkscape is a great graphics program for editing SVG files, head at it. Also, I think you need to photoshop some of your photos. For example, add some of the famed everywhere buses that are said to be in Sundarapore, and crop out some of the ugly road stuff and paste in some trees and greenery. On the flip side, your Japan pages need to have green pretty things removed (I even saw some beautiful sakura!) since that goes against the historical characteristic you established in text. EDIT: (oh yeah!) Also countries like Pacifica has borders that too closely match OTL. I would think it would be a little more organic (at least in places were there aren't natural borders like rivers...) Although with out graphics in Inkscape, it might be really hard to edit all your already made graphics. Do you know about vector magic? It converts PNG to SVG online quite well. Anyway, I had more thoughts but cant bring them to mind at the moment for some reason. Peace! J4p4n 18:20, 5 February 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for the comments, "dw". I'll definitely try those vector programs to create new flags. I'll also try to photoshop some of my photos, like you said. But in actuality, Singapore (the basis for Sundarapore) has a vast amount of buses as well as trees, so I might be able to dig out some real photos that portray that. And as for Japan, it wouldn't be completely ugly. Maybe it's that I said Tokyo was bombed flat in the Pan Global War and that most of the buildings erected since then have not been aesthetically pleasing. But, in actuality, the real Tokyo of this world has a similar history, but you can still find some sakura and gardens and such. And, in fact, Japan's population in my world has a population of just over 32 million (instead of the 127 million in our timeline (OTL)), so I would still guess that greenery would be around. At the same time, I AM planning to make a separate "Japanese architecture" section, and may include many photos I've taken of buildings of various styles. Concerning Pacifica, Pemhakamik - that is, North America - was the first area that I mapped out, and if I re-do it, I will probably make certain modifications such as what you noted. However, there is some benefit of keeping the same borders as those that exist in OTL, although it seems less realistic, and that is to be able to better use county maps and other such maps that might exist for one country or state but not another. But I know what you mean, and if you look closely, you can see that Pacifica's borders do follow rivers in OTL northwestern British Columbia, and cut through western Montana. Anyway, thanks a lot for the comments! --Riction 01:54, 6 February 2008 (UTC)


Hey dude. I don't know if you take submissions, but if you do, here are two flags. Please use them if you like them.

Novosibirsk (tree represents vast forests, yellow orb is the much needed and valued sun, and the blue is the clear skies):

Flag of Novosibirsk (Vegetarian World).svg

Russia (Veg.World) (blue and red are traditional colors of this Russia, and the white logo is a mix of letters that are used to name Russia in Crylic):

Flag of Russia (Vegetarian World).svg

These files are SVG, so they can be resized to meet your needs. Enjoy. "dw" again btw... J4p4n 13:05, 5 March 2008 (UTC)

More more! I can't stop. This is fun, I guess.

Jambi (I didn't think of any justification for this flag, but it has a soft resemblance to the seal of Jambi in our timeline):

Flag of Jambi (Vegetarian World).svg

Libya (traditional country's bird represented with a shield of defense against the many enemies of Libya, and two branches of a local tree used traditionally. Based on the seal of Libya in Our Timeline):

Flag of Libya (Vegetarian World).svg

Israel (Star of david, on a field of scarlet red, with a victor's wreath):

Flag of Israel (Vegetarian World).svg

Czech Republic (Green represents the abundant forests of the Czech Republic, yellow is the cog-wheel of industry, and the middle is the historic seal of Czech (in our timeline it isn't, it just looks that way to me)):

Flag of Czech Republic (Vegetarian World).svg

Republic of Utah (The three intertwined birds represent the three traditional dialects of the Shoshone language group, with Numic bird on top (since it is the dominant dialect) of the other two dialects, those being Ute-Paiute and Shoshone)

Flag of Utah (Vegetarian World).svg

Anyway, thats enough for now. Use them on your info pages for these countries if you want them. You know how to get ahold of me if you have questions, etc. Have a great day. J4p4n 14:37, 5 March 2008 (UTC)

Great flags! Thanks a lot! I've used them all. I must say that, in particular, the Czech and Utah flags are quite amazing! How did you make those? I know, with that SVG program, but what about the designs? Anyway, it's great that instead of just thinking of a random flag (yeah, even Jambi's has some similarities to the seal, as you said), you try to tailor it both the country as thought of in this timeline, and in some instances the specific traits that I give my country in my alternative history world. --Riction 02:24, 6 March 2008 (UTC)
Thanks. I'm glad you like the flags, and yeah, I found it helped to make design ideas by using your timeline's information as inspiration for "design motives" of the people who made that flag in that timeline. Well, with a lot of the flags I just made them freehand in that SVG program... but!! I'm not a "real" artist, so for like Czech and Utah and stuff I had to go hunt up detailed line art from public domain sources and assemble them in that SVG program. It's kind of fun, so I guess if I have some free time I'll read some more of your timeline histories and add a few more country flags maybe sometime. Cheers! J4p4n 14:25, 6 March 2008 (UTC)

Hey! Hope I'm not annoying with my tons of submissions, I just enjoy trying to synthesize information about the countries from their history in these timelines and interpret those into flags. A few more! (To save space, these are small, click through)

Ceuta and Melilla (Two separate original colonies, represented by the two separate citadels on the map, united by a common ancestry (the symbolic red blood of the center stripe) united by the force of the power (the dragon) but still separate, seen in how each has their own blue sky (the lower and upper stripes) on the flag. Which, by the way, the citadels are from the coat of arms of Ceuta, and the dragon was inspired by a dragon in Melilla's coat of arms in our timeline.):

Ceuta and Melilla (Vegetarian World).svg

Dijibouti (As a commonwealth territory of France, Dijibouti shares the symbol found in the main French flag, however since it is not France and stands on it's own, the gold (wealth) of France has been removed and it is put on a pennant to the side of the main body of the flag.):

Flag of Djibouti (Vegetarian World).svg

Zambezia (The flag features, on the right, a local (in this timeline) fertility symbol and thus the desire to rise up from the current chaos and become a unified healthy country.):

Flag of Zambezia (Vegetarian World).svg

Gan (This flag has a flower with three stems but one base, this represents that it was formed as a league of the three main Chinese groups. Each group is represented by one of the flowers, and the common stem is their unity.):

Flag of Gan (Vegetarian World).svg

Gwong (The large star on this flag is raising from the small star, this is Gwong raising up beyond it's past as a repressed country under Japan's rule. Gwong hopes to be a "star" in the modern world.):

Flag of Gwong (Vegetarian World).svg

Hejaz (The country's traditionalism is shown in the traditional swords (which, btw, are from the coat of arms of saudi arabia in our timeline) and below that is the country's name in Arabic, just like some other Arabian flags in our timeline.):

Flag of Hejaz (Vegetarian World).svg

Hokkien (The 12 circles represent the many numerous groups of people that live in Hokkien, maybe the 12 traditional tribes that spawned all current people in this country in this timeline, and the red and yellow represent the Hokkien people's enjoyment of festivals, since those are festive colors for the Chinese.)

Flag of Hokkien (Vegetarian World).svg

Phew. Now it's time for some sleep for me! If you don't like any of these, please don't feel obliged to use any. Only the ones that fit for you. I tried to make them fit the "vibe" for their region, and thus some of the Asian flags actually have some elements borrowed from Japanese "mon" family crest marks (because it felt Asianish to me instead of European like the dragon and what not.) Anyway, enjoy. J4p4n 18:10, 7 March 2008 (UTC)

Thanks again! All were added! Over the past 2 days or so, I've been going over the Inkscape tutorials, and I've pretty much figured things out, but I was still wondering about that Utah flag... How did you get those varied width circles, and the flourishes hanging down from the bottom left? Did you find a non-SVG drawing and convert it to SVG, or did you create any of that stuff using Inkscape. If you used Inkscape for it, please tell me how you did it. If not, can you show me where you got it from? --Riction 12:39, 9 March 2008 (UTC)

More Japanese Questions

Would you have any suggestions for an alternate currency for Japan? It is still for my Roman timeline, after the Roman occupation ended. --TEAKAY 14:15, 18 March 2008 (UTC)

Hmm, I'm not exactly sure what you're looking for. You might already know that before the "yen" was the "mon", and even before that was the "ryo" and other such weights from China that were often represented in oblong shapes. You seem to already have the "carici" and the "yahuo" as currencies, although I'm not sure how you arrived at those names. Some ideas that you might consider is giving them a similar currency to another country, just like the dollar represents many currencies - an American one, an Australian one, a Singaporean one, etc. But I think that you also like being original, so you might want something else. Besides what I've already listed, I don't know of anything else that could be used, but if you gave me some phrase to translate (like "gold ounce" or "silver coin") or want something based on those ideas but basically meaning nothing (the equivalent of a "goldini" and "silverio"), then I can supply some Japanese ideas. Just let me know. --Riction 12:59, 20 March 2008 (UTC)
I am being vague, whoops. For a phrase to translate though, I'd kind of like something like 'currency of The republic/the people' because at the time republican and Roman ideals were very popular. Emphasising the The because otherwise it kind of sounds like the name of the currency is 'Japan's currency' or even 'the money Japan uses' really bland o_0 ... I hope this idea makes some sense, it seems a little weak even to me but still kind of neat.--TEAKAY 19:49, 20 March 2008 (UTC)
Interestingly, the "Renminbi" of the People's Republic of China means exactly "the people's currency". In Japanese, using the same Chinese Characters to construct it, this would be translated into "Jinminhei" (人民幣). I know that in our world, "the people's..." has a sort of Communist connotation, but there is nothing inherently Communist about it. Other ideas include "Kyowaen"/"Kyowahei" (共和円) or "Minkokuen"/"Minkokuhei" (民国円) both meaning "Rebublic(an) Yen"/"Rebublic(an) Currency". I hope this helps. --Riction 02:16, 21 March 2008 (UTC)
Thank-you very much, that's exactly what I was looking for.--TEAKAY 02:52, 21 March 2008 (UTC)
No problem! --Riction 08:37, 21 March 2008 (UTC)

Hello again ^^;; , how would you say 'Mountain Fortress/hide-away' in Japanese?

"Mountain Fortress" would be "Yama no yousai" (山の要塞). You say "yousai" as "yohsai" because actually, "ou" is a long "o" sound instead of "oo". "ou" is one of the only not quite phonetic exceptions to Japanese writing. You can also spell it "yohsai" or just "yosai" if you want. The last one is technically wrong, as the "o" should have a macron over it, but it's still commonplace. (For example, Tokyo is actually spelled "Toukyou" in Japanese.) "Yama" means "mountain", "no" means "'s", and "yousai" means fortress. So it's quite literally "Mountain's Fortress". To tell you the truth, I'm not sure how to say hide-away, or how to look it up. In a dictionary, there is nothing that matches completely, and I would probably create a makeshift nonexistent phrase if I tried to come up with a term. So, yep, "Yama no yousai" should be the best. --Riction 21:04, 15 April 2008 (JST)
Thanks again.--TEAKAY 21:50, 15 April 2008 (UTC)

Heh, hope these questions haven't been too much of an annoyance: What might the Japanese call the Sea of Okhotsk? I've tried finding the Russian's etymology to work backward with but it's a mystery.--TEAKAY 01:01, 1 June 2008 (UTC)

Hey there, Teakay. Don't worry. You're never an annoyance. In fact, I feel quite honored whenever I see that I have a new message. Furthermore, I like the challenge of thinking up new names. it seems that the Sea of Okhotsk never had a native Japanese name (perhaps because the Ainu lived up there until the Russians were already established). I remember that I came up with "Kita-Ken" (北県) for the bordering region once upon a time. So, a very simple name for the sea could be Kita-Kai (北海)...that is, the Kita Sea, or the North Sea. Of course, this name is already used (in Japanese and in English) for the North Sea in OTL abutting Britain. Now, just looking at Wikipedia, it seems that "Abashiri Subprefecture" in Japan is also known as "Okhotsk Region". So I thought, "Hmm...then why can't the Sea of Okhotsk be known as the Abashiri Sea (網走海)?" So, I guess I'll go with that for now. There doesn't seem to be any real meaning to Abashiri, as far as I can tell. Literally (from its two characters), it means "net" "run". Just possibly, it might come from running a net through the water...I guess, for fishing. But this is just a guess. Some Japanese names have no real meanings, even if their kanji (characters) have individual meanings. Let me know if this is OK. If not, tell me some significant meaning that you'd like to give to it, and I can try to think up something similar in Japanese. --Riction 14:37, 1 June 2008 (UTC)
I like getting messages too, though sometimes you know I worry that it'll be discovering a huge inconsistancy that will take forever to fix!
Abashiri sounds good, I had thought about Kita-ken Sea at the start but it seemed a bit bland, thanks again!--TEAKAY 15:47, 1 June 2008 (UTC)

How would you say Imperial Navy and National Defence Coast Guard? A dictionary says 'oushi' is imperial army but I don't know how I would break that up to attach navy (which the dictionary says is beikaigun)to it. Also, would you know when the Mon first became Japan's currency or did it just slowly emerge without any actual date?--TEAKAY 09:12, 28 July 2008 (UTC)

Hey TEAKAY! The "Imperial Japanese Navy" would be the "Dai Nippon Teikoku Kaigun" (大日本帝国海軍). "Dai" means "great", "Nippon" is of course "Japan", "Teikoku" is "Empire" or "Imperial", and "Kaigun", as you mention in your comment, means "Navy". ("Beikaigun" actually means "American Navy", as "Beikoku" means "America" - "koku" meaning "country". Also, with "Kaigun", "Kai" means "ocean"/"maritime" and "Gun" means "army".)
Self-Defense Force is "Jieitai" (自衛隊) and "Coast Guard" is "Engan Keibitai"(沿岸警備隊). I don't know if this is a phrase in the real world, but I'd guess that putting them all together to mean "Self-Defense Coast Guard" would be "Engan Keibi Jietai" (沿岸警備自衛隊), literally "Coast Guard Self-Defense Force". Adding "Dai Nippon Teikoku" (大日本帝国) before that, or practically anything, will specify "Imperial Japanese (such-and-such)", of course.
As for the "mon", I really didn't have a clue, so I checked out Wikipedia (which you might have tried already). I didn't find an answer specifically on that article about the mon, but I did find that the Chinese "wen", Korean "mun", and Vietnamese "van" (all written with the same Chinese character - "文") are very similar. The Vietnamese "van" (or "cash" - from Tamil, which also led to our slang word "cash") were first cast from a little after 968. The Korean "mun" became the main currency in 1633. The Japanese coins must have been around since before 1695, when the word "gen" was added to the backs, according to Wikipedia. The Chinese "wen" was first, and was begun in 621. So, putting that all together, I'd say that a starting time for the "mon" could probably be placed a hundred or more years after 621...say 750 at the earliest. As one more piece of evidence, the "Heian Period" in Japan, where Chinese influence was greatest, was from 794 to 1185, thus making this time period a good guess for when the "mon" started circulation in Japan. --Riction 03:21, 4 August 2008 (UTC)
Beikoku means America? Interesting...
About "Jieitai", is that a word that has always directly meant "self-defence force", or was it reletively modern? Since Japanese in my timeline is supposed to be a bit different and one word Jieitai translates to more than one word, I wonder how I'd best make an equivalent (if it turns out doing so would be best).
Thanks again for the help, it's really appreciated. --TEAKAY 18:30, 6 August 2008 (UTC)
Sorry for the late reply. First of all, yeah, "Beikoku" means "America", but nowadays, it's pretty antiquated or very formal. In most current situations, "the United States" is simply "Amerika" in Japanese. Generally, English has made great inroads into Japanese (like it has in many other languages, and how Latin words are infused into English). So, "computer" is "kompyuutaa", and "camera" is "kamera". The list goes on and on. One good thing about "jieitai" is that it's pre-English in Japanese. In fact, all of the parts of it come from Chinese originally (like many, many words...just like Norman French words significantly changed English as a language). "Ji(自)" means "self", "ei(衛)" means "defend/protect/guard", and "tai(隊)" means "army unit", "force", or "team".
Now, I think that "jieitai" itself is a modern word, thought up after Japan had to give up a military due to its defeat in WWII. However, there is nothing modern about the meaning. So, just as we now can use the English term "self-defense force" to refer to the modern incarnation of the Japanese military, we could have just as easily used that name back in the 1800s or earlier for something quite different. So, I think that "jieitai" doesn't have any problems in that respect, and can be used. Of course "Engan Keibi Jieitai" - the word I came up with - is something that does not really exist in our time and would differentiate your force from the modern Japanese force even further. I hope this helped. --Riction 13:05, 11 August 2008 (UTC)
Very cool. --TEAKAY 16:50, 11 August 2008 (UTC)

Hello again, I was wondering what the Japanese would call Fiji and Vanuatu (or maybe just Melanesia in general) if they were the one's first discovering and colonising them. I tried making up some, like Pyapya Gunto which is SUPPOSED to mean like Papua Islands (because wikipedia says they all had a language connection); and Shotou Kuroi Genjuumin which is supposed to be like islands of black people (because the etymology dictionary says that's what Melanesia means).

These names I know are very crude because I'm just taking the best I can find from a Japanese dictionary (the same one that said Beikaigun was navy but failed to mention it meant America's navy) :P. I also read through Easternized World again to see if it had anything but Gurun Selatan I guess is in Srivijaya's language and it refers more to Australia than the island groups :S.--TEAKAY 12:59, 27 August 2008 (UTC)

Hi again. Hmm...Your question is thought-provoking. I like that...And I think I have some answers for you! In Fijian, "Fiji" is itself called "Viti". Japanese, however, doesn't have the "vi" and "ti" sounds, instead substituting "bi" for the former and "chi" for the latter. Thus, a direct Japanese version of "Viti" would be "Bichi" (and, it seems that Fijians even pronounce the "v" as almost a "b"). So, I guess "Bichi" (ビチ) would be as good a name as any for Fiji in your world. However, "Bichi" might sound a little strange, so I'll offer alternatives as well. The two main islands of Fiji are "Viti Levu" and "Vanua Levu". I think that "Levu" simply means "island" in Fijian. So, in Japanese, the islands of Fiji could be called "Banua" (バヌア) (taking its name from the other island - perhaps first landed on) or "Rebu" (レブ) (with the "l" becoming "r"). Vanuatu, turned into Japanese, is literally "Banuatsu" (バヌアツ), with again the "v" changing to a "b", and the "tu" changing to "tsu".
Your names for Melanesia are pretty good (although I think that it would still be "Papua" in Japanese instead of "Pyapya", and "Shotou" should probably go at the end of the phrase). "Kuroi Genjuumin Shotou" is OK, but maybe a little too literal. It's sort of like "Black Aboriginal Archipelago". One other quite literal name for it could be "Kokujin Shotou" (黒人諸島), meaning "Black Person Archipelago" (or "Islands of the Blacks" or what have you). "Papua Shotou" (パプア諸島) might work for all of Melanesia, too.
As for "Gurun Selatan"...yeah, that's in Malay. I don't know much about Malay, but from some exposure to it when I was in Singapore (only to the extent of knowing a little bit about if an adjective should come before or follow a noun, and the like), and an online dictionary (and, notably, Wikipedia), I looked up "desert" (=Gurun) and "south" (=Selatan), making Australia into "South(ern) Desert". I should update "Easternized World". I've been meaning to. However, I should be pretty busy next week...but I'll see what I can do in the near future. If I do update it, and you see it in the "recent changes" list, please take a look. It's good to know that some people know about it. And give me any comments about it if you want. --Riction 14:31, 29 August 2008 (UTC)
I really appreciate how much you explain your answers, understanding things is always fun, and I also can't wait to see Easternized World's development ;3.--TEAKAY 14:42, 31 August 2008 (UTC)

Osu! What would be an appropriate name for the Galápagos islands? In the timeline early on, the Japanese governor for South America turned the islands into a sort of great palace and gardens (it's not known if he was planning on rebelling from the empire). I was thinking a good name might be something that includes Joubon or Shima Teiketsu (a poor rendition, I know). Something to describe the place as a paradise retreat.

But one unrelated question: are you still actively working on Easternized World? Because there's this one unregistered user that seems to be adding a lot of stuff but maybe it's just you logged off making the changes :/ --TEAKAY 00:52, 23 January 2009 (UTC)

Hi again, Teakay. You know, I think you did a pretty good job with "Joubon" and "Teiketsu". In fact, I didn't know either one of those words until I looked them up. "Joubon" (上品) meaning "Buddhism's highest paradise" and "Teiketsu" (貞潔) meaning "chastity; purity", from what I found online. (Interestingly enough, "Jouhin" (上品), with the same kanji as "Joubon", means "elegant; refined".) OK, so far, I've just told you what you already knew, but I actually don't have that much more to add.
I like the sound of "Joubon". Also, I think that it would fit better than "Teiketsu". I don't know why, but maybe it's because "Teiketsu" sounds more literal, straightforward, and non-poetic. "Joubon" also seems to flow from the mouth a bit easier. If you want me to offer up an original suggestion, I'll offer "Miyabi". Miyabi is a hard concept to understand. Even I don't quite get it, but you can get an idea from the Wikipedia article for it. A simple definition is "refinement; elegance" - similar to "Jouhin", but much more poetic, I'd say.
Whichever you choose, you can add "Shima" or "Jima" to the end of it (for example, "Joubon Shima" or "Joubon Jima"), but I sort of prefer such an island as not having the designation "Shima/Jima" stuck on it. Islands of little fame and/or using generic words usually have "Island" attached, both in English and in Japanese (compare "Hamilton Island" and "Goose Island" with "Sicily", "Britain", "Bali", and "Honshu"), while islands such as the one you mentioned should perhaps be known by its name alone (and I guess it's also an archipelago, not a single island). I'm now thinking too much into this, but maybe the largest island can be "Joubon/Miyabi Shima", and the entire group can be just "Joubon/Miyabi" (as is the case with "Hawaii").
As for all of the changes to any of my pages, you are free to revert them all to my last edit (except for edits by "J4P4N", who has inserted images into some of my pages). I just checked the recent changes to my "Easternized World" page, and I wish I'd come by sooner, so that I wouldn't have to erase that guy's hard work (although it is highly counter-productive to my work - making my maps not make sense, and generally messing up what I was going for). Thanks to you and Mr.Xeight for bringing this to my attention! --Riction 15:30, 26 January 2009 (UTC)
...Miyabi... I read that article and it all of a sudden seems to really explain some things I see in anime (o.O). Very interesting.
Having Joubon as the whole island group and the largest island I think sounds good. I like that Miyabi too so I'll have one of the islands with that name, maybe Pinzon or something. Thanks again Riction!
I tried reverting some of the changes, but there are a lot of instances of "intermediate changes" making it difficult. Some of the changes are minor grammar and spelling too. :S --TEAKAY 15:44, 27 January 2009 (UTC)
I'm glad I could help...sort of...and that I could learn some new words while at it! Also, as for the changes you talked about, may I ask exactly what pages you're referring to? I reverted Easternied World back completely to my last update months ago (and then added a bit more yesterday). What other pages have been changed a lot? I'll check them out. (By the way, major changes that delete or add major things can be reverted, but little grammar corrections and such can stay.) --Riction 05:57, 28 January 2009 (UTC)
If the page is reverted that far back then it should all be fine. I think it was just the main article that I noticed being changed.--TEAKAY 13:18, 28 January 2009 (UTC)
Oh, I see. --Riction 14:23, 28 January 2009 (UTC)

I'm a big fan of vegetarion world & easternized world and noticed the edits by the unknown user, I'm afraid to undo what he writes because, is it you or someone you trust? Mr.Xeight 23:29, 23 January 2009 (UTC)

Thanks a lot, Mr.Xeight, for bringing this to my attention! I'm glad that you're a fan of my althists! Often, I don't hear from many people, so I'm not sure if it's being read by anyone. Thanks to you and Teakay, I feel pumped, and I might try to write more (although I'm currently working 6-day weeks). I've just started reading an althist book called "The Years of Rice and Salt", so that might also help me get back into my own althist. To answer your question, you're free to revert any edits by other people back to my last edit. Because of you, I checked out the changes to my "Easternized World" page, and found what you were referring to. Wherever else you see changes, you can revert them. However, J4P4N has helped me with some flags and such, so the edits by him are OK. Thanks a lot for bringing this to my attention! --Riction 15:30, 26 January 2009 (UTC)

No problem, Ric! Just wondering, did China really get all the way down to the Byzantine Empire? One of the last remaining European superpowers? Mr.Xeight 21:40, 26 January 2009 (UTC)

I haven't thought up the details yet, but China eventually borders the Byzantine Empire to the north, but doesn't take it over. Now, perhaps the Byzantine Empire might break up into different countries in the future, but it's never swallowed up by China. However, like various colonial powers had "spheres of influence" in China at one point, there might be a similar situation that unfolds with the Byzantine Empire, but I haven't really thought that far into the future. Also, I was thinking up a few surprise scenarios that might unfold later in the timeline. One is that, in more modern times, Europe starts to become a booming area economically, and European nations become major creditor nations while the great Asian empires become debtor nations (which is pretty much a reversal of recent history involving China and the U.S.). Also, there will be a major world crisis when oil supplies diminish. This should be in the early 1900s (owing to the slightly earlier advancement of technology in that timeline). --Riction 03:19, 27 January 2009 (UTC)

I was wondering if I could use your TL of the An-Shi Rebellion, only this bettered China into becoming like our Mongols, ruling from E China to Ukraine. Really sorry I don't want to offend you by stealing. Mr.Xeight 02:18, 29 January 2009 (UTC)

Go ahead! I look forward to reading it. --Riction 02:55, 29 January 2009 (UTC)

Hello again Riction, I'm trying to make a name for the Maraiana's Trench and Challenger Deep. For the trench I was hoping something like Ryujin's Maw "Kyokou no Ryujin(?)". I couldn't find the translation for maw and had to use big mouth but I guess it's ok. For the Challenger Deep I was thinking Ryugujo. I don't have much understanding of Japanese mythology and I appreciate the help and suggestions for both of them.--TEAKAY 12:10, February 27, 2010 (UTC)

Hi Teakay. Hmm... This is really challenging stuff...but here goes. I actually have no idea what "maw" is in Japanese, or if it even exists. "Mouth" is "kuchi"(口 / くち), whereas "trench" is "kaikou" (海溝 / かいこう). "Ryujin's Mouth" would be "Ryuujin no Kuchi" (竜神の口 / りゅうじんのくち). "Ryujin Trench" would be "Ryuujin Kaikou" (竜神海溝 / りゅうじんかいこう). Ryugujo, or "Ryuuguujou" (竜宮城 / りゅうぐうじょう) - meaning very literally "Dragon's Shrine Castle" would seem to be a good name for Challenger Deep. I think you're way more creative than me with these names, and you also have a better handle on Japanese mythology. Basically, I wasn't able to add much, but I can say that what you got is pretty good. (By the way, remember that "no"(の) is used like "'s", so the name would come first, and then "no", and then its possession...or the landform or whatever. Also, I said, "(The) Ryujin Trench", but if you wanted "Ryujin's Trench" instead, just add a "no" in there - i.e. "Ryuujin no Kaikou".) I hope this helped. --Riction 16:46, February 28, 2010 (UTC)
It is very helpful, thank-you again :) --TEAKAY 17:38, February 28, 2010 (UTC)


I usually issue bans for a rather short period at first as some sort of a warning, and if vandalism occurs again (which hardly ever happens) a ban for a longer period. I don't think I would ever issue a permaban, seems like a huge overreaction to me. --Karsten vK (talk) 10:45, 28 June 2008 (UTC)


I'd love to know your opinion on this. --Karsten vK (talk) 15:14, 12 July 2008 (UTC)

another submission

Hey Riction, long time no talk! I made another image for your excellent althistory (congrats on the feature btw) ... Image:German-factory farm1-Vegetarian World.jpg Anyway, it's a "historical" image of a factory farm that you mention in your text. I was bold and added it already to your pan-global war page, if you don't like it feel free to remove it--- no hard feelings of course. Cheers, J4p4n 15:24, 9 December 2008 (UTC)

Haha, I always get on a roll. Can't stop with just one! Well, I also made you two flags and saved you the work of adding them to their pages (in other words, I added them myself), if you don't like them just remove them.
Enjoy! J4p4n 16:19, 9 December 2008 (UTC)
Thanks a lot! Yeah, it's been a while! We should meet early this upcoming year. I'll be headed home for two weeks soon. Anyway, the flags are great! Also, the photo of the factory farm goes well with the article. You always do a really good job, so feel free to add more flags in the future. Just, like this time, let me know about the new ones! Talk to you again soon! --Riction 10:46, 12 December 2008 (UTC)
Corresponding with you today made me remember this Wiki, and I popped on and provided you with a historical protest picture for your Hong Kong protest. (File:Wearethesame-vegetarian-world.jpg) I've already put it on the correct page, if you don't want it on there feel free to take it off. Cheers, J4p4n 16:27, 2 June 2009 (UTC)
Ditto for this image: File:Hiroshimainflames-vegetarian-world.jpg ....I really should get some sleep now. ;) J4p4n 16:56, 2 June 2009 (UTC)
Thanks again! Both of those pictures are cool, and they're not just random pictures from any place, but are the real deal. Nice job! --Riction 04:20, 4 June 2009 (UTC)

Ready for the Mother Country

Could you make me flags for Ready for the Mother Country? Buk5 17:40, 9 December 2008 (UTC)

Actually, I'm a little busy now, but maybe you can ask J4p4n, as he just created some flags for me. I don't know if he's up to it, but maybe you can give it a try. --Riction 10:49, 12 December 2008 (UTC)

Fan Map/Volunteering.

Anyway, i had tried to email you about assisting you with Vegetarian's World unfinished Pemhakamik and Australia pages such as Canada and Jalagi. In any case, if you don't want additional help, i'll understand.

Still, i made a fan map of Pemhakamik, and I was hoping to get your opinion on it.

Thank you.Zwest97 23:58, 26 July 2009 (UTC)

Template:Nations VW by --Fero 22:07, December 29, 2009 (UTC)

I gid you that, enjoy, some names must be change, but now is your--Fero 22:07, December 29, 2009 (UTC)

40px   Nations in Vegetarian World   40px

Albania | Germany | Andorra | Armenia | Austria | Azerbaijan | Belgium | Belarus | Bosnian | Bulgaria | Cyprus | Vatican | Croatia | Belgium | Belarus | Denmark | Slovakia | Slovenia | Spain | Estonia | Finland | France | Georgia | Greece | Hungary | Ireland | Iceland | Italy | Latvia | Liechtenstein | Lithuania | Luxembourg | Malta | Moldova | Monaco | Montenegro | Norway | Netherlands | Poland | Portugal | UK | Macedonia | Czech | Romania | Russia | San Marino | Serbia | Sweden | Template:The | Turkey | Ukraine | Vatican | Template:The | Belarus

South America

Argentina | Bolivia | Brazil | Chile | Colombia | Ecuador | Guyana | Paraguay | Peru | Suriname | Uruguay | Venezuela

North America, Central America and Caribean

Antigua and Barbuda | VW |Template:Bahamas| Belize | Canada | Costa Rica | Cuba | Dominica | El Salvador | USA | Granada | Guatemala | Haiti | Honduras | Jamaica | Mexico | Nicaragua | Panama | Dominican Republic | St. Kitts and Nevis | Saint Vincent and the Grenadines | Santa Lucia | Trinidad and Tobago


Afghanistan | Saudi Arabia | Armenia | Azerbaijan | Bahrain | Bangladesh | Burma | Brunei | Bhutan | Cambodia | China | North Korea | South Korea | United Arab Emirates | Philippines | Georgia | India | Indonesia | Iraq | Iran | Israel | Japan | Jordan | Kazakhstan | Kyrgyzstan | Kuwait | Laos | Lebanon | Malaysia | Maldives | Mongolia | Nepal | Oman | Pakistan | Palestine | Qatar | Russia | Singapore | Syria | Sri Lanka | Thailand | Taiwan | Tajikistan | East Timor | Turkmenistan | Turkey | Uzbekistan | Vietnam | Yemen | Soviet Union


Angola | Algeria | Benin | Botswana | Burkina Faso | Burundi | Cape Verde | Cameroon | Chad | Comoros | Côte d'Ivoire | Egypt | Eritrea | Ethiopia | Gabon | Gambia | Ghana | Guinea | Guinea-Bissau | Equatorial Guinea | Kenya | Lesotho | Liberia | Libya | Madagascar | Malawi | Mali | Morocco | Mauritius | Mauritania | Mozambique | Namibia | Niger | Nigeria | Central African Republic | Democratic Republic of the Congo | Republic of the Congo | Rwanda | Sao Tome and Principe | Senegal | Seychelles | Sierra Leone | Somalia | Swaziland | South Africa | Sudan | Tanzania | Togo | Tunisia | Uganda | Djibouti | Zambia | Zimbabwe


Australia | Fiji Kiribati | Marshall Islands | Micronesia | Nauru | New Zealand | Palau | Papua New Guinea | Solomon Islands | Samoa | Tonga | Tuvalu | Vanuatu

Sorry for the late reply. Thanks a lot! --Riction 18:00, February 15, 2010 (UTC)

You're back, that's wonderful! Any plans on the Great War going on in Easternized World?

Wow! And you're fast! Actually, I do have some plans, and I'll try to get back to the war in the next few days or so. I don't know if you want any spoilers, but more nuclear warheads will be used, and it won't just be Spain that has them. However, there will also be more conventional warfare (as the maximum number of warheads produced under dire times are around 2-4 per year...though they will try to ramp up production if research facilities and underground factories are not hit). Also, after the war will start a process of decolonization, as in our timeline. This does not mean that all Asians will leave the other areas. In many cases, multicultural societies will form, and in others, Asian-majority states (like the already-formed Meixikou/Mexico) will emerge. --Riction 18:16, February 15, 2010 (UTC)

If I may ask for but onemore spoiler, how bad is Byzantium going to lose in the peace treaty? I think it's obvious Spain will lose. I'm hoping that because Byzantium was rathered pressured into war because of a naggy Spain and those damn Srivijayans blatantly disrespecting them the winners might go easy on them, but this isn't my TL :) Mr.Xeight 05:12, February 27, 2010 (UTC)

Well, you have the right idea! Because of its protection of Muslim refugees and its non-use of nuclear weapons during the war, it is spared the humiliating defeat of Spain. In fact, I think that near the end, the Byzantine Empire might switch sides and fight against Spain. But this is after the Byzantine Empire sees the writing on the wall, and after Spain has suffered a nuclear attack. Perhaps there is a coup to speed up the process. At any rate, Srivijaya is a big winner, and wants less leniency, but the other powers agree to more. Also, since colonialism is at its height, most areas that Srivijaya takes over will be freed over the next few decades, and demographic changes over that time will be slight. (For example, in OTL, America won the Philippines from Spain. However, there are very few Americans (or Spaniards) living there, and the main religion is still much more Catholic than Protestant, and local languages are used more than (but alongside) English in daily life.) Overall, I see the Byzantine Empire (or its future self) being composed of Greece and most of Asia Minor. Thanks for the question! --Riction 05:45, February 27, 2010 (UTC)

A little help?

Hi, you commented on my "The Most Serene Republic of Venice" page, and I checked out your user page. I like the template you used, think you could help me create a page using this type of template/fomat? Give me some pointers, perhaps? (Jmcmt2003 04:45, February 27, 2010 (UTC))

Sure. It's not too hard. Just going to my User Page and clicking "Edit This Page" at the top-left, you can see all of the code that went into the making of my page. You can feel free to copy that and play around with it to get it to how you'd like it. In fact, since you asked, I'll help you create a user page using the method I showed. You can change it around more yourself. --Riction 04:59, February 27, 2010 (UTC)

Thanks for the help. Really appreciate it. (Jmcmt2003 15:54, February 28, 2010 (UTC))

No problem. --Riction 16:27, February 28, 2010 (UTC)


Hey, long time lurker here, and I just wanted to say how enjoyable your Vegetarian World is. I especially love the work you did with New England. Anyway, I noticed how you've had submissions for flags, and I thought you could use a flag for Canada.


I know it isn't very original, but my friend from Toronto came up with the design.

As for the symbolism, I suppose the top half could represent the Arctic Ocean, while the bottom represents the Icy lands of Canada. Still, this flag might be more appropriate if VW's Canada also didn't include the Maritimes/Newfoundland (And thus no need to symbolize the Atlantic Ocean.)

Or you could use this cool OTL design that my friend showed me, but replace the Union Flag with your version.

1946 Canadian flag proposal.svg

On another note, might a future updated New England include the Maritimes or the

Kentucky-Ohio preserve?

Even though VW's New England is already wanked by both OTL and TTL's standards, it would seem to make sense for it include the Maritimes (whose OTL culture is the closest to OTL New England's culture.)

As for Kentucky-Ohio perserve, wouldn't they be likely to be environmental provinves like VW's West Virginia was? I know both GB and NE watch the two territories, but perhaps GB would "give" the land to the loyal provinces of NE as a sign of trust, friendship, etc.

What also might be fun is if VW's New England included not only the Maritimes, and the Kentucky-Ohio Preserve, but also Tenneessee as New England's third environmental province (with Kentucky and Ohio being the 1st and 2nd.) Since this would take land away from the Jalagi, perhaps the Jalagi could also have the Muskogee portions of Alabama, Georgia, and Carolina.

In any case, keep up the brilliant work! Can't wait to read about Canada, Quebec, etc.

CambridgeStar 01:26, March 20, 2010 (UTC)

Hey there CambridgeStar! I'm glad that you've been enjoying my work! I do like when people like you speak up, because it gives me renewed energy to work on my projects. I must admit that I haven't worked on the Vegetarian World project for a long time, but I've been working on Easternized World off and on these days (but mostly "off"). Of course, it's much more of a story, whereas Vegetarian World is made up of more country profiles. If I ever finish Easternized World, I'd like to do some country profiles for it as well...but the situations and countries will change a lot over time, so I won't start on that yet.
Thanks for the Flags! I used one in my newly-created Canada article. In fact, I might use the other, too. I just came up with the "Canadian Confederation of States", which can include some of the other states - Athabaska, Cree, Nunavut, and Quebec. I might use the other flag for that...or switch them and use the red flag as Canada's. I actually made the Pemhakamik map first. I did a lot of research (mostly of the pre-European distribution of native groups, and their languages) but the borders look haphazard. For "Cree", I wanted to include all of the Cree language/dialect groups, but the country itself is all over the place. That's another good reason for an international confederation (like the European Union in OTL or Chinese Union in Vegetarian World). I'll see what happens to the Maritime provinces...and I might change things if I create an updated map...but don't wait around for that. If I ever get around to making another map, I might also do something with the Kentucky-Ohio Preserve and change some other borders. Anyway, thanks for the comments! --Riction 12:38, March 24, 2010 (UTC)

Wow! Thanks for the fast response, and I love your new Canada article! My friend is especially glad you liked her flag design. As for your plans for Canada, I'll hopefully have some comments on the Canada discussion page up soon to avoid further clutter here. Still, my friend and I came up with a possible flag design for Quebec. While the design is essentially a color reverse of the OTL fleurdelisé, we still thought it looked cool.

Flag of Quebec (Vegetarian World).png

As for the symbolism, the red fleurs-de-lis could represent the French blood and the French heritage that represents the cultural foundation of Quebec. Now, I assumed that Great Britain peacefully obtained Quebec from France (By purchase perhaps?). In any case, British and particularly English culture is going to leave a mark on Quebec's culture. Perhaps when Quebec gains its independence from Great Britain or Canada, the founders could have the red cross represent the influence that Britain had on Quebec's culture. Finally, the white could be used to represent the snowy land of Quebec, purity, or Quebec's new beginning as an independent nation.

On a side note, I noticed that the flag shares a couple of similarities with Tuscany's flag. Perhaps one of the flag's designers in the TL could be an immigrant from Tuscany. Besides that, great job again on all of your wonderful timelines!

Edit: I added those comments I mention earlier to Canada's discussion page if you're interested.

CambridgeStar 00:29, March 31, 2010 (UTC)

Hey, thanks for all that, and for showing continued interest! I basically followed your concept for Quebec. Thanks also for telling me about the comments you made on my other page. I only get a note if a message appears on this page, so if you write on some other pages, make sure to also alert me here. As for Wendat, I decided to make that country the fifth one that seceded from Canada, and is part of the Confederation of Canadian States. I like the way you think, and you certainly have good ideas! Thanks again! --Riction 13:57, April 7, 2010 (UTC)

Thank you so much, and I'm glad to be supporting you!! Honestly, I believe that Vegetarian World is one of the best AHs of this wiki! Naturally, I'll be glad to help you in any way to bring this wonderful AH back to life as long as you would like my involvement. In any case, while I don't have much to offer for the Canadian Confederation Page, I've already posted them on Quebec's discussion page. As for future material, I'll hopefully have flags for Nunavut, Cree, and others up soon, but I would like to mention the OTL flag Iroquois flag briefly.

Flag of the Iroquois Confederacy.svg

According to wikipedia, the OTL Iroquois Flag pictured on the right was developed in the 1980s. Since I assume that the Iroquois were probably inspired by the succession of Quebec, the timing for the OTL Flag just felt right for VG.

Thanks again for all your Patience! I'm really having fun with this!!

Edit: Hey, I'm sorry to bother you so soon, but my friend I've mentioned before finished editing the Golden Maple Leaf Flag.


Apparently, the OTL version of this flag was actually going to become Canada's first "Official" national flag in the 1940s, but was stopped due to protests from Quebec. Perhaps, this could be VG Canada's flag instead. After all, it makes sense that if New England and Pacifica's flags had the Union Flag on them, then Canada's flag would have the Union Flag as well. Thus, it might be best to have the original Red Maple Leaf Flag from before be the Canadian Confederation of States flag instead since the broad nature based symbolism would be more attractive as a sign of international Unity among such a diverse group of people.

On a side note, I wanted to tell you how much I love the Administrative Divisions articles for New England, such as New York's article and Varieta's article. In any case, while I was searching for flag designs of the other C.C.S nations, I got two flag designs for the CSP states of Carolina and West Florida (in case you do decide to make an Administrative Divisions section for the CSP, and make articles for the individual states.)



As for the flag on the left, it's an alternate version of the South Carolinian Succession flag used in the Civil War. I designed it to better match the national flag you made for the CSP. As for the Bonnie Blue, I figured West Florida would keep it as the state flag, even after joining the CSP.

So anyway, I don't want to overwhelm you with any additional material, so just tell me when you're your fine with accepting new flag designs, suggestions, etc. Peace!

CambridgeStar 21:37, April 11, 2010 (UTC)

Hi again, CambridgeStar! Thanks again for all your and your friend's hard work! I especially liked that you and your friend put the new Union Jack/Flag on the second Canadian flag. We both had the same idea to use that second flag for the country of Canada, and to use the more generic and less British one for the Canadian Confederation of States.
So far, I've made the change, and I've started the CCS article. In fact, if you want, you can write the history section of the CCS page according to what you wrote on my Canada page. It's up to you, but you have that permission if you feel like going ahead of me. Basically, I was just gonna rehash your ideas, anyway. (The only thing I'm not sure would happen is the French and Indian War. Perhaps no war occurred, and I don't want to copy the past too exactly. But yeah. Feel free to edit that.) I'll try to get around to editing more in the near future. Thanks again for all of your (and your friend's) help! --Riction 16:28, April 14, 2010 (UTC)

We're glad you love it, and appreciate the thanks! Still, I'm especially glad to have your premission to right the confederation's history. I've already posted it on the confederation's page, but it's very long. As a result, I'm going to wait till after you're ready before posting any more ideas/suggestions.

As for the history itself, I've tried to write it in the style I've seen in your other articles. Also, I've talked about details that I've assumed on from some of the demographics, but wasn't totally sure about. For example, based on the demographics from the East Pemhakamik profiles, it seemed that North Atlantic Pemhakamik was predominately settled by European Cathars (with Pennsylvania as an exception) and that South Atlantic Pemhakamik was settled more by European Christians (with Florida as another exception.) Was that intentional or just accidental? In any case, feel free to slash or re-edit as much as you like.

Also, I've really had fun writing, and I'd be glad to do a lot more writing for you if you so wish. After all, I've all ready got ideas for nations outside of the Confederation. In any case, just say the word, and I'll be glad to write. Also, I hoped you don't mind, but I've asked J4p4n if he would like to make flags for the other Confederation members. I'm really sorry if that goes against your wishes. Thank you!!

And congrats on reaching 2000 edits!!!

CambridgeStar 05:26, April 15, 2010 (UTC)

Here's edit 2001. WELCOME TO THE TEAM! The Canadian Confederation of States article was a brilliant piece of writing! It resembles some of my best stuff, and that's great! I didn't think that anyone else could write like that (not that my writing is particularly magnificent, but you seem to know my style). The truth is that it fit in so well with my stuff that it's nearly indistinguishable. I had so much fun reading it! I care so much about my work, but there was never a point where I was like, "Oh, man. This guy doesn't understand where I'm coming from." Instead, it was like I was reading my own writing...but I wasn't sure what would happen next. That's a great feeling!
It seems that you have read through my althist very caringly, with attention paid to detail, and you seem to think in the same way as me. You know that I like worlds where not everyone thinks the same way. And sometimes, there is a chance of something happening, but it doesn't happen. That is why you noted that some Athabascans wanted to join Pacifica, but they instead chose independence. Most people would not add that Pacifica-related part, because it has no bearing on how history turned out. Yet you added it because you know that it's important to tell the story of the feelings of the people, and at that time, some wanted to join Pacifica...but they lost out. That's also why you noted that the people are seeing themselves as more Canadian, yet support for full re-unification is at its lowest levels since the formation of the confederation. You really didn't need to add that second part, and it seems almost to contradict the first part. But it sounds so natural - like a real world would be. Things are not always so simple and stark. (Another example is the Iroquois. Actually, a substantial portion of Iroquois chose to continue to be part of New York, so some Iroquois areas didn't secede. All is not clear-cut.) Instead of white and black, there are endless greys. You understand well.
By the way, your insight about the regional distribution of Cathars and other religious groups is spot-on, and that further tells me that you know this althist very well. Nearly everything I do is intentional. I spend way more time researching than writing. I felt that the more "liberal" areas in OTL would be settled more by Cathars. Of Christians, I think of Quakers as more liberal, and Pennsylvania was settled by them (in much larger numbers than OTL, of course).
Oh yes. And I nearly forgot to add that the reasoning for selling French Canada was stunning! The fur trade was not taking off because vegetarian Cathars refused to be trappers. And then there's GLEET and EPAT. You have great new ideas, but at the same time, you're very thoughtful and you stick to the previously-established fabric of this althist. You show brilliant creativity yet keep your writing in harmony with the rest of this timeline. That's exactly what I love.
By all means, thanks for asking J4p4n for help making more flags. I think that this team is good. You, your friend, and J4p4n seem to understand Vegetarian World very well. (I appreciate the comments of Mr.Xeight also, and TEAKAY and I have talked quite a bit.) I definitely didn't want to open this althist to everyone, or even a few people, because I thought that nobody else had my vision. However, I would like to say that you are welcome to help me, and in fact, I really hope you will help me with this. If possible, write on here which articles you'd like to do, and after you've done an article, tell me what you've done, so I can read over it. Try to just do countries and other things that I've already created. (In other words, don't create a whole map for Pacha because I have my own ideas for that, but feel free to tell (or show) me your opinions.) Feel free to leave advice about what other things I should create.
I hope to hear more from you soon! Keep up the excellent work! --Riction 17:02, April 15, 2010 (UTC)

Wow, there’s so much I want to say, but I don’t even know where to begin! Let me say first say it was my goal to capture your writing style, and I’m so glad I won your approval!! And yes, I would love to join the Vegetarian World Team and write for even more articles!! It really is an honor, so thank you! Thank you! Thank you!

One of the reasons I love Vegetarian World is that it’s filled with so many untold stories! For example, could Catharism have become wide-spread in England because Queen Elizabeth the First converted to Catharism? Why does the Confederate States have such a large percentage of Protestants in comparison to other places colonized by VG’s British? How did the Russians feel about decolonization and why did Novosibrisk leave Russia? All of these are just some of the possible stories that Vegetarian World has to offer, and I would love to help you give Vegetarian World even more life.

Now that the excitement is under control, let’s get down to business!! I’ll be glad to write any article you want me to write, and I agree with you that I should only do article’s that have already been created. In fact, I honestly would prefer to write for articles that have already been created with their statistics listed. For example, the statistics for Canada, Quebec, and New England had a large influence on what I wrote for the Canadian Confederation of States’ history. Still, I will be glad to bring up suggestions for new articles (for example, I already have a couple of ideas for Australia).

And speaking of Canada and her sister states, I believe their story is almost done, or at least in terms of history. As of now, I would like to finish writing for the Canadian Nations and Northern Pemhakamik in general. I doubt I’ve add much more to Canada’s, Quebec’s, or the CCS’s articles, but I’ll probably re-edit the wording of the Confederation’s article to improve the word flow. I also have big plans for Athabaska and Cree, such as writing about early exploration and going into deeper details over such events like the Canadian-Pacifican border disputes. I’d also like to write about Greenland and the Iroquois nation, and paint a clearer picture of their relationship with the Canadian Confederation of States. Once all of that’s done, I believe we can call the Canadian Chapter complete, unless if a new map of Pemhakamik results in a needed rewrite of history.

Another region of Pemhakamik I would love to write about is the Southeast: The CSP, Florida, Muscogee, and Jalagi. The information you’ve have spread out throughout Vegetarian World is a literal gold mind of material I can use to write the history for this region of Pemhakamik: The Civil Rights movement, the Urban Sprawl of the 70s, and the urban revival of Atlanta are just the tip of the iceberg of material begging to be written. In fact, I’ll probably need to divide the information between all the nations, and even the administrative divisions of the CSP (such as Atlanta, the Federal District, Carolina, etc.) Luckily, I’ve already started on Florida, and will present some of my information on it in a sec.

So yeah, I’m really sorry if any of the above or below is too unorganized to read, but I’m simply too excited about this to think clearly. Still, I think I should say something. In terms of writing, history is my specialty, but I should hopefully be able to contribute to the other aspects of Vegetarian World. After all, I would like to talk about VG’s version of Sequoyah in the Jalagi language section.

Now on to Florida!


To start our discussion on Florida, I would like to present the flag I designed for Florida. The Palm tree could be a symbol for both Nature and Florida itself. The design on the right side is based on the flag of Catalonia.

Now, I also tried to design a map of Florida in the style of your Varieta maps, but I wasn't able to find a map base as high of quality as what you used for Varieta. In any case, the map I made is not ment to go on Florida's page, but is more of a rough draft. Still, if you can provide a base map as good as the one from Varieta's map, I'll be glad to redesign the map however you like.


Another reason, I was also afraid to show you the map is because I thought it might clash with your vision. Still, I hope this is okay for a starting point, but I would like to address some possible flaws. For example, Florida's page mentioned a city called Tequesta which I assume is VG's Miama. Still, I had the entire southern portion of the state become one of Florida's four national preservation areas (with the Bahamas being the fourth). Still, perhaps St. Augustine could be New Barcelona instead.

I also had Florida's SARs located in the regions that they are to maximize the amount the amount of land preserved. Still, I reasoned that the Aboriginal Floridians most likely did this on their own free will. Anyway, the different colors represent the following.

Dark Pink=Tequesta-Maiyaimi-Calusa.

Bright Blue=Ais-Jaega


Reddish Brown= Seminole


Anyway, I hope all of this is okay, and thank you once again for the offer to become a writer. I really appreciate your kindness. Peace. CambridgeStar 05:54, April 19, 2010 (UTC)

my idea

CambridgeStar, I like your idea for the florida flag. Buuuuut, I think it is too photo-ish. There are some flags I can think of that have realistic multicolored images but I think things look more flag-ish when they don't have all that. I went with your idea and simplified it to try to make it more flag-ish. I hope Riction likes it, and I will be making more flags too of course. Cheers, J4p4n 13:34, April 21, 2010 (UTC)

Thanks! I absolutely agree with you about the photo-issue, and I love this new flag design. Hopefully, after some additional practice with Inkscape, I'll be better able to create better flags to go along with yours! In any case, your Florida flag is simply beautiful, and I'm sure Riction will love it! Thanks a bunch J4p4n! CambridgeStar 14:11, April 21, 2010 (UTC)

CambridgeStar & Riction, the page for the Canadian Confederation of States article in part states:

  • The success that Canada experienced during these years sped up the growth of a unique Canadian identity and culture. At the same time, French Canadians, and Aboriginal Canadians were becoming uncomfortable with the perceived dominance of Anglo-Canadians. This displeasure grew slowly till Canada gained complete independence in 1931.

So I thought I would get all funhouse and try to add another "historical" image. This one is from 1929 ATL (1919 OTL, but who cares!), a group of French Canadians protesting at the Kitchissippi Capital building. They are protesting what they think is the dominance of Anglo-Canadians, as can be read in the text. I hope this historical image helps? I will add this and the flag later if they seem to be OK. (If you look closely the capital building is engraved with the words "Kitchissippi in saecula saeculorum" which should mean "Kitchissippi Forever" in Latin)

FrenchCanadianProtest1929-Vegetarian World.jpg Anyway, cheers! J4p4n 15:19, April 21, 2010 (UTC)

CambridgeStar, I like your enthusiasm! You'll be a great help to this project! And J4p4n, I'll also get to you. Sorry! I've been so busy that I haven't been able to respond. I'll write a longer comment soon!...hopefully tomorrow! --Riction 16:26, April 23, 2010 (UTC)

Thanks dude! Anyway, I've posted Florida's history. I'm not as happy with it as with Canada's history, but I'll let you be the judge. In any case, I've also edited the Flag descriptions for the C.C.S., and Canada. I've also made a couple of edits on Quebec's page. Thanks again for allowing me to be on the VW Team! Peace!!

Edit: Oh, before I forget. I just wanted to mention a couple of details. I didn't mention the Bahamas or the SARs/NPAs in specific detail since I still don't fully know you vision for Florida. Also, New Valencia Beach is OTL Daytona Beach. Hope everything makes sense.

CambridgeStar 02:18, April 24, 2010 (UTC)

I'll get to CambridgeStar and J4P4N.
To CambridgeStar. Wow! You've done it again. You said that you're not as happy with Florida's history as you are with Canada's history, but I actually like it just as much if not more! I know that it can sometimes be a nerve-wracking experience writing something new after the previous one was so good. How can you top the previous one? But don't worry about all of that. You don't need to top anything. Just keep writing quality histories and I'll be quite happy.
I really like how you've taken a lot from Vegetarian World's history and its various articles, with reference to "Cheapie Architecture" and the "Modern Renaissance", among other things. Like I said before, it's a lot like reading my own work, but being surprised and wondering what will happen at the same time!
Now, I'll probably change "The Largest Metros" section to reflect your history. At first, I was thinking that Tequesta/Miami would exist, but after hearing your thoughts, I think that it's just as well that it doesn't. Maybe the "Florida Keys" can be called the "Tequesta Keys", and near OTL Miami, there can be the "Tequesta Research Station" or something to that effect.
Also regarding islands, I guess that the Bahamas joining Florida is a good idea. I was thinking that the Bahamas (and Turks and Caicos Islands) could be named "the Lucayan Islands" or maybe "Lucaya" for short. I was thinking that most of it could be a protected area (as you said), but perhaps the "Inagua Islands" and OTL "Acklins Island", "Crooked Island", and some other small islands could be native zones, and OTL "Grand Bahama Island" and "New Providence Island" could have Floridian settlements. Of course, there are few maps to have both the islands and Florida on them, so it would be a bit hard to get them together in one. Anyway, that's something we can always put off.
To J4P4N. Again, thanks for the input and the flags. The Sioux flag, New Hindustan flag, and the doctored image you posted are all great. I like how in the Canadian image, the Latin writing on the building looks so real!
OK guys! Keep up the good work! --Riction 15:20, April 24, 2010 (UTC)

Thanks for all the kind words, and I’ll keep what you had to say about the writing in mind.

Now back to Florida! My main reasoning for not having Tequesta exist was to protect the everglades from urban development. Still, I really do like the sound of the Tequesta Keys, and the research station idea sounds really cool as well. On the other hand, I don’t want to become obnoxious with my suggestions, or suggest something that violates your vision of Vegetarian World. If that happens, just tell me, and I’ll stop.

As for the Bahamas, I actually prefer your original idea. I originally suggested combining Florida and the Bahamas because I couldn’t find anything about the Bahamas in the Vegetarian World articles I’ve read. After you mentioned the Lucayans, I did some research and was saddened to see how disease had utterly destroyed another Aboriginal society. Instead, I believe your original idea fits much better with the overall theme of Vegetarian World.

Rough Draft Lucayan Flag

Still, perhaps we can combine both our ideas? Maybe the Lucayan Islands were originally under Floridian jurisdiction, but were granted independence in the 1960s? I’ve also designed this “rough draft” flag to strengthen the connection between Lucaya and Florida. It’s essentially the OTL flag of the Bahamas, but altered to match the colors of VW Florida. Perhaps J4p4n could put another modified palm tree or flower in the triangle.

Now, I need to mention a couple details about some statistics. If the histories I wrote can be considered canon, then the Vegetarian Populations of Canada, Quebec, and Florida could actually be much higher than currently listed. For example, Canada could "realistically" have more than 66% of its population be Vegetarian due to the strong Cathar influence. Likewise, both Quebec and Florida could have more than 75% of its populations be Vegetarian due to Cathar influence. I figured this would be a good thing since this is Vegetarian World after all!

On a final note, I would like to ask a couple of questions about administrative divisions. Now I understand you don't want me to work on nations you haven't made yet such as those of Central Asia, but does that limit include not making articles for administrative divisions for provinces such as Maryland, or cities like Toronto. I have some great ideas for places such as Nova Scotia or Newfoundland, but I wasn't sure if you wanted me to wait until you created the specific articles or not.

Also, when researching the administrative divisions of New England, I noticed that the population added to about 21.2 Million just for the listed provinces, with the other provinces probably being worth an estimated 1.5 to 2 million people. I only mention this because I could actually see VW's New England having a population of 26-27 million due to its much older history then OTL New England. Besides that though, I think everything else is golden.

Before I forget, I won't be able to work on Vegetarian World for a couple of weeks, so feel free to take you time to respond. Peace!!

CambridgeStar 05:33, April 25, 2010 (UTC)

Hi again, CambridgeStar. I sort of had a pretty interesting idea. What if the "Lucayan Islands" (Bahamas + Turks + Caicos) were sort of in a "free association" with Florida. Check out the Wikipedia article on Palau, for example. It's a sovereign nation, but in free association with the U.S., meaning it doesn't have a military, and relies on the U.S. for that. Or, it can be part of Florida, or completely free. If it's in free association with Florida, or free, then I don't know whether European-majority populations on New Providence and Grand Bahama island would be good, seeing as those large populations would most likely put these people in charge of the islands. Instead, perhaps the Lucayan people have a modern economy. Or, if it's part of Florida, the Lucayans can be in some of the southern islands, while settlers from Florida are more towards the north. Either way, most of the region will be protected area, as you suggested at first. I think that's definitely a good idea, especially since you consider that the Great Bahama Banks system is one of the greatest marine regions in the world, with very shallow, clear water extending far from the islands, out into the ocean - easily observable by satellite. Oh yes, and I think that your Lucayan flag is quite good.
I agree that Canada and Florida can be more vegetarian. You can change that, or I can. But I agree with you. As for the administrative divisions of various countries, you can go ahead and create pages for them. If one of them does not match the rest of Vegetarian World, I'll let you know, but you seem to know this inside-out, so I have reason to believe that your articles will match Vegetarian World well. At any rate, just alert me to any major changes or new articles you make.
Yes, I created the New England page before I created those of the provinces. At the time, 18.7 million people seemed like enough (seeing as how the U.S. in its first census only had 3 million people, and the OTL states that make up my New England have a population much larger than that, which I wanted to decrease). However, while creating provincial profiles, I realized that I desired more people for my individual provinces. It was tough to keep the population so low. And, I ended up going over the limit (and didn't change New England's population accordingly) So, I think that 26-27 million people is a fair total number of residents for New England to have.
OK. Whatever you'll be up to in these few weeks, I hope you have fun! Talk to you later! --Riction 16:23, April 25, 2010 (UTC)

Lucayan National Hotel

I’m back, and thanks! I had a blast!
Anyway, I love the free association idea for Lucaya. I think it really fits. As for Demographics than, I don’t think we’ll see a European-Majority on any of the islands. Still, I do still see the Islands having around 50,000 or so Lucayan Aboriginals, and another 10,000 or so people, composed mostly of Europeans. As for the Europeans themselves, I see them mostly concentrated in the Capital, or in the resort towns. Perhaps the OTL Atlantis Hotel could be called the Lucayan National Hotel. Also, I do agree with the idea that Lucaya would have a modern economy with only a microscopic percentage living a traditional lifestyle. Oh, and thanks about the flag!
I’ve also had another idea while I was gone. After talking about Canada/Quebec’s vegetarian percentage, I’ve began reading the Government Mandated Vegetarianism. Something that really surprised me was your choice to make Belgium the fourth nation to have GMV. In any case, it allowed me to think of a scenario in which a couple of other nations would also have GMV by 2010. For example, I could see Lucaya installing a GMV policy a little after Sundarapore in 1999. What I think would be the most interesting possibility is Catatania’s response.Due to the Cathar’s centuries-long influence, I could see the country of Catatania having a de facto GMV policy. Still, maybe there’s a moral outrage in the populace when Sundarapore and Lucaya establish an official GMV policy, but not because Sundarapore or Lucaya enacted a GMV policy, but because Catatania, one of the oldest vegetarian nations, wasn’t the first nation to enact an official GMV policy.
Honestly, I would imagine that the people of Catatania would view themselves as the historical protectors of animals, and would be upset that their country wasn’t the first to become legally vegetarian. Thus in 2001/2002, Catatania becomes the third nation to be legally vegetarian. Next, we have India and Taiwan, but perhaps they become legally vegetarian a couple years earlier. In addition I could see is Pacifica, especially considering its vegetarian history, and the fact some of its provinces have already established a GMV policy…perhaps Chochenyo County, among others, becoming legally vegetarian in the 1960s instead of the 80s. Finally, Belgium becomes Vegetarian. Another interesting possibility we could see during the 00s is the rise of support for Government Mandated Veganism!

Flag of Belgium

Flag of Bayou

In other good news, I made three new flags for Vegetarian World. The first flag I’ve made is for Belgium, and it’s simply a modification of Belgium’s OTL Naval ensign. Still, if Belgium has dropped the Monarchy in this timeline, I can simply delete the crown.

The next flag I’ve made was for Bayou nation. It’s a modification of the Acadian-New Englander Ethnic flag, but I hope that will be okay.

Flag of Nunavut

The final flag I mad was a clip-artish design for Nunavut, but it could probably be used for Athabaska as well. The sun is suppose to be the midnight sun, but I hate how it turned out due to how rough the edges are. Perhaps J4p4n can smooth out the edges if he likes are create a better star.
In any case, I hope all of this is good enough of an update. Thanks for everything!
CambridgeStar 03:02, May 10, 2010 (UTC)

Hey guys! CambridgeStar, saw you wanted a smoother version? I made this, hope you like?

Athabaska (Vegetarian World).svg

Let me know honestly, cheers, J4p4n 08:33, May 19, 2010 (UTC)

Like it? I love it!! It's perfect!! And I'm glad to hear from you again Riction. You must of had a blast in Singapore!!

Still Riction and J4p4, do you two think the other flags are okay for Vegetarian World? I know Nunavut's design is the only original one, but I really like how the other two came out? Thoughts?

In any case, it's great to hear from both from you, and I'll be glad to write more histories whenever the profiles for nations such as Lucaya or Iroquois are made. Peace!

CambridgeStar 00:41, May 21, 2010 (UTC)

Easternized World

Congrats, Easternized World is now a featured TL. I also believe this is the second of your TLs to become featured, so congrats for that as well. Since this is the first time Easternized World will be featured on the main page, I will need a short blurb from you about the TL plus any pics or links you would like to appear with it. Featured TLs for the main page are chosen at random, so I don't know when exactly Easternized World will appear, but the sooner you get me that info the better. Thanks and congratulations again. Mitro 12:31, April 21, 2010 (UTC)

Quetzalcoatl's World

Your timeline, Easternized World, inspired me to start a really good timeline. Could you check it out and comment? Right now, the bulk of it is right here, Quetzalcoatl's World Eastward Expansion 14:00, May 28, 2010 (UTC)

OK, I'll check it out soon! --Riction 15:38, June 4, 2010 (UTC)
Thanks! Oh, and I have a question, how do you make a New Template like you Veg World Template? Eastward Expansion 17:52, June 24, 2010 (UTC)
Sorry for not getting back to you yet. I'll write more later. But as for the template, do you mean the one on the right-hand side? I made a template. First, start a new page, called "Template:___", with the blank filled in with what you want. For example, "Template:Quetzalcoatl's World". In fact, I've done it for you. Just click the link. Go to that page and you'll see an exact replica of my "VW main" (Vegetarian World) template. Click "edit this page", and change around the words, delete stuff, create new links, change the colors, etc, until you have changed that page from my Vegetarian World template to your own unique one. (Remember, it's OK to edit the "Quetzalcoatl's World" one, as you're not affecting my template in any way by messing with it.) When you're done, and you want to add that template to your pages, just edit each of the pages you want to put it on and put "Template:Quetzalcoatl's World" between {{}}. Then, put it in the page and save. If you have any other questions, let me know. --Riction 17:36, June 25, 2010 (UTC)
New addition: OK, I've read through all of Quetzalcoatl's World you've written so far - up until the Mayans gave the Aztecs the cure to the Red Velvet Death, Morocco was pacified, and Spain and Portugal were invaded. What you've written so far is quite interesting, and I'm looking forward to seeing how this alternate history continues into the future! It's cool that I can already get a view into the future, and it seems that the Tarascans will become a dominant force in the world, and will take over much of East Asia, though I wonder what happens to them between 1960 and 2000, as it looks like their empire shrinks to almost nothing. I like the maps, and how you have so many. They really show the centuries progressing, and it's much easier to get an overarching view of history from them...even more than your timeline or general outline on the main page. I see a lot of borrowings from my alternate histories, like going into more detail in articles arranged by date, for example. Keep it up! I'm enjoying it! --Riction 13:43, June 27, 2010 (UTC)
Thanks I'm really glad you liked it! You were a great help in getting the Template!Eastward Expansion 18:46, June 27, 2010 (UTC)
No problem! --Riction 03:23, June 28, 2010 (UTC)


Hey! Sorry it took me so long to finish, but I got Lucaya's history and even an economics section finished. I might add some more, but I'll probably won't. Still, I sort of viewed Lucaya as having a really high HDI such as .962 or .957 due to its economic policy, buy I assume that's too high. What do you think? Is the history up to your standards as well?

And before I forget, I just wanted to say I appreciate your work, but you don't need to feel pressured to make articles for my sake! I especially don't want to ruin the fun of actually making artices for you, so please feel free to take as long as you need to make your articles.

In any case, I'll write the articles for the Iroquois nation or the other Canadian Confederation Nations whenever your ready! Peace!

CambridgeStar 03:25, June 19, 2010 (UTC)

Hey, good job with Lucaya. It was fun to read through. The part about them sending people to bring back Catatanian culture and language, and their wish to be annexed was a little on the far-fetched side, but it's worth keeping. As for the HDI, I think that a high number would be fine. In fact, small city-states often have high HDIs because they don't really have poor regions...just the city. Since Lucaya is urbanized and is a pretty small country, that kind of HDI is reasonable. (In fact, the HDI of the OTL Bahamas itself is .856, which is high, and Lucaya seems even more developed.)
Also, thanks...I won't feel pressured to make more articles, but I think I'll try to do so in a few days. It's fun, after all! And guess what...I'm going on vacation July. This time, to Shanghai (partly for the Expo). I've been to Shanghai before, and it's a great city. Tomorrow morning, I pick up my travel visa... Talk to you later! --Riction 14:48, June 22, 2010 (UTC)
OK, I got Iroquois up! --Riction 15:42, June 27, 2010 (UTC)

Well, you've been busy, Mr. Riction! How have you been buy the way, before I begin my spheel? :)

Would you be up for letting me explore the various aspects of the Greek nations in Vegetarian World (Greece, Byzantina, Cyprus)? It's quite interesting how there's a Byzantine Empire in VW and a Greece. You of course probably noticed I'm Greek, so I have the motivation and all that. The only thing is, would you mind if I upped the Christianity and Judaism level in the respective nations? No biggy really, just a personal preference really, I'll have no problem if you say no. I'd like to explore all things Greco-Judaism, too, the Jews in Greece had a long history, their own language (Yevanic), their own classification (they called themselves the "Romaniotes"), and distinct culture; it's a shame bloody Hitler had to go an destroy several thousand years of their culture. And is their room in the world left for a former-Greek colony in Southern Pemhakamik? And also, if you'd be willing to let me work with you, I'm a bit of an Aragonophile-perhaps I could take a look at the world's Aragonese population? I know they'd be Catahar and part of Catalonia-Occitania, but perhaps their culture wasn't wiped out by the Castillians (or in this case Occitanians and Catalonians) like it is here?

Mr.Xeight 18:12, June 25, 2010 (UTC)

Hi Mr.Xeight! I've been doing OK recently. This month, I guess I've been working a lot, but last month, I was able to go to Singapore for a week (and attended a wedding there). Next month, I'm off to Shanghai (and neighboring Suzhou and Hangzhou) for another week. (By the way, I'm an American living in Tokyo, Japan.) Good stuff!
Anyway, I think that it would be fine for you to add information to the Greek nations' pages. In fact, if you want, you can create a page that goes into depth about the Jews in Greece. For example, you can mention their language in the main article, and then create a new page called "Yevanic Language (Vegetarian World)". However, I wouldn't really want the religions in each country to change substantially. In every case I've seen, the Byzantine Empire is a Christian (or at least Christian-majority) nation. I'm trying to go for something a bit different. I'm also a bigger fan of ancient culture than medieval culture, which is one reason why neither Greece's nor Byzantia's flag feature a cross, and instead harken back to antiquity. (The star and crescent, I at least thought was antique, though its history seems to be unresolved.) I'd be OK if you made some slight changes, but I'd prefer nothing major. If you want, you can take away from Christianity and add to Judaism, or you can lower the freethinker percentage (I'm a freethinker, by the way) as long as the Jewish population is mostly secular - more like Seinfeld than Moses. The Greek Buddhist population can shrink a bit, too, but they're some of the ones who helped to bring vegetarianism to Europe (along with Cathars), so they're pretty important.
But Cyprus hasn't been developed yet. So, if you want, you can substantially up the numbers of Christians and Jews there - making Christians a majority, for example. Maybe that place was a bit more secluded than the others, so a large Christian and Jewish population thrived.
As for South America (called "Pacha") in Vegetarian World, I think that a former Greek colony would be a bit of a stretch. You don't really find Eastern European countries (even as far west as Italy, for that matter) being able to create and hold onto colonies. (I guess Spain, Portugal, the Netherlands, France, and Britain were lucky that they were on the Atlantic-facing coast.) That might be because a blockade of the Strait of Gibraltar would completely destroy a country's relationship with its colony. Rather, it might be better if one of the states had a large Greek migrant population. Did you know that even in OTL Trinidad and Tobago, in the Caribbean, (East) Indians make up the largest group? Over 35% of people on the Polynesian island of Fiji are of Indian extraction, too. They continue their traditions, much like in the subcontinent. So, I think there could still be a largely Greek entity in Pacha. Anyway, just let me know what you get up to! Talk to you later. --Riction 12:45, June 26, 2010 (UTC)

Central World

Hi, It's so cool Vegetarian World, it's like a different planet! I want to know if you can create an article for Central World , because i would like to turn it into a community project! Please Answer me!!!! VENEZUELA 19:38, July 15, 2010 (UTC)

I hope you really like it, Singapore, Brunei and Malaya were transformed into puppet kingdoms! VENEZUELA 17:11, July 30, 2010 (UTC)

Hi Riction, I modify your article, and I would really like you to expand the post cold war era, and eliminate all the part of the independence, bur you might add that they have more freedom since Hirohito's death. VENEZUELA 20:21, September 29, 2010 (UTC)

Jusat thought I'd say "Hi"

What happens next in Easternized World?

Hey, I've been following your Easternized World timeline for a while. I really enjoy it. When are you going to get back to it? I've been waiting for almost six months to find out what happens after the Chinese retake their Yodderick colonies. 07:49, December 30, 2010 (UTC)

Marco Polo

Good timeline! But does Marco Polo visit China in this timeline?

RandomWriterGuy 22:44, October 31, 2011 (UTC)

Easternized World

It appears that you have abandoned this website, never to return. This is a sad thing, as I enjoyed your Easternized World timeline, and wish you would continue. If you do not wish to come back, may I adopt this timeline to continue it to the present day? I would rather you come back and do it yourself, but I fear you may be gone forever. :( LurkerLordB 22:03, December 16, 2011 (UTC)

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