User:Scandinator/Archive 1


Hey I know we are now at war. But let me be clear, i want to be an independent nations, I feel the HRE is breaking the rules it founded on, I should know, I was a founding member, under the constitution and the treaty, I am allowed to leave the HRE at any time, for any reason. You dont have a dog in this fight. I ask you to please reconsider your stance. I merely want to be free to expand my nation as I choose, do what I want, which I cant under the current regieme. Me and Scraw have a sort of plan to destroy the current HRE and rebuld it, instead of having all these loose nations, we gobble up all the little ones, letting Bavaria, Brandenburg, and Venice control a much tighter organised nation. are bone is not with being Imperial, but having little say in decisions and suchAndr3w777 (talk) 18:18, January 1, 2013 (UTC)

PMII - Ethiopia

Hey, could I return to Ethiopia now that the Caliphate is gone? Vivaporius says: "I don't need a slogan!" 19:02, January 10, 2013 (UTC)

Apoc: 2012

That's fine, everyone needs breaks now and then. :) My specialised area is the Balkans and Australia, but more Balkans than Australia. Airlinesguy (talk) 11:42, January 12, 2013 (UTC)

Yeah, I do, I live in Melbourne. Airlinesguy (talk) 12:02, January 12, 2013 (UTC)

Oh, and if you're still on, do you want to discuss Crete? :P Airlinesguy (talk) 12:20, January 12, 2013 (UTC)

Yay for surviving! Ugh we have to help the other survivor states, lol. 


Oh OK, awesome! So I don't have to give Crete back? Good! All the best for the new Doge!  Airlinesguy (talk) 13:33, January 12, 2013 (UTC)

So be it then. Vivaporius says: "I don't need a slogan!" 19:08, January 12, 2013 (UTC)

Our Plans

Do you remember our age-old plan to invade and conquer the Incas? Well we should get to it because the Germans and the Mayans(smells of implausibility) are planning to do so.AP (talk) 01:10, January 14, 2013 (UTC)

Sure. We'll figure out the details after our victory. When do we begin?AP (talk) 01:16, January 14, 2013 (UTC)

Yes, and you two are going to reach it how? Colonies? At least the Mayans are really close to it. You guys doing anything near that is implausible. And Germany isn't part of this. IMPERIAL NY-SPQR 1.pngRegen Flag.png Fegelein! Fegelein! Fegelein! 01:18, January 14, 2013 (UTC)

Besides, that was just speculation. That wasn't me doing anything about it. CourageousLife (talk) 01:42, January 14, 2013 (UTC)

We need to rule as mods on Burgundy's invasion of the Incas. I think it should be retconned because there was no precedent and the fact that it was based on metagaming.AP (talk) 02:28, January 14, 2013 (UTC)

Sounds like a good back-up plan, but I think it should be totally retconned. Sine is a notorious metagamer and should not have his way.AP (talk) 03:22, January 14, 2013 (UTC)

Oh and he also tried this with the Aztecs but it got retconned.AP (talk) 03:24, January 14, 2013 (UTC)

So when do we invade the Incans?AP (talk) 06:03, January 15, 2013 (UTC)

So that means my algorithm score increases by 50%? If so, that does sound fair, and then I can just conquer them anyway. Ill accept, but can I declare war on Greece now?(DeanSims: Talk) 12:20, January 15, 2013 (UTC)

Sweet, and yes, you can have that weird penninsula that makes up southern Greece in return for a full military alliance. (DeanSims: Talk) 15:40, January 15, 2013 (UTC)

I could use a map yes please, also it does sound fair, and I didnt realize I had a 1.5 multiplyer already, so it would be increased to 3.0 multiplyer right? 2.0 sounds fair too. (DeanSims: Talk) 19:18, January 15, 2013 (UTC)

A2012: Strikes List

Hey Scan.

I was wondering if you could give me an estimate of when the Strike List for Apocalypse:2012 would be finished?

No rush, regards - Enclavehunter (talk)

I went to ask you this, as you are a mod, and i need an second opnion about this, as i've asked Lurker already but i don't think he'll answer:

As you might know Castille's player is inactive in all but name.he is still is up on the player list and has an color on the map.This is the first time that an situation like this happens.the last situation remotely like this (Great Mediterranean war) didn't had the player absent for so long.The question is whether i should treat Castille like a player nation, like he technically is, and he receives no bonus, or treat him as NPC, like he should have been declared by the time in which he spent absent, and he receives a bonus.--Collie Kaltenbrunner (talk) 06:51, January 16, 2013 (UTC)

I'm sorry, but i didn't understood the logic.for me to form Iberia, i would have to conquer over 33% of Castille, so they shouldn't receive a bonus, which would mean that they would have a player.--Collie Kaltenbrunner (talk) 07:33, January 16, 2013 (UTC)

So, i should treat him as an NPC, due to his prolonged absence or treat him as an player, considering that his name is still on the list?--Collie Kaltenbrunner (talk) 08:05, January 16, 2013 (UTC)

Deepnds.what are the requirements?i need to know most of them, not some.i might accept without being able to doing something not mntioned.--Collie Kaltenbrunner (talk) 08:05, January 16, 2013 (UTC)

Well, since i already do some, or most of the things you talked about, but in a smaller scale, i think that i can do it.--Collie Kaltenbrunner (talk) 11:40, January 16, 2013 (UTC)

Ah, and you still didn't answer my question about Castille.--Collie Kaltenbrunner (talk) 11:40, January 16, 2013 (UTC)

So i should disregard the part where you told me to form Iberia?--Collie Kaltenbrunner (talk) 15:46, January 16, 2013 (UTC)


I have a mutually benificial proposistion for Venice and Bavaria. When the HRE implodes, I would like Venice's help in attacking and conquering Bohemia/ Hungary,furthermore I have plans for a further expansion perhaps in Austria. As Bavaria is now a free nation, and once the HRE is no more, then it will be fair game for all nations, I'd like our two nations to dominate the South of Europe while Brandenburg deals with the North. We can work out the details later.Andr3w777 (talk) 19:39, January 17, 2013 (UTC)

Kick starting A:2012

When can I begin posting whatsits? Is this going to be a live timeline like DD? David Rain (Sometimes...) (talk) 10:56, January 18, 2013 (UTC)

I believe we have an agreement.Andr3w777 (talk) 19:24, January 18, 2013 (UTC)

Rough Draft of our respective regions, naturally subject to change

Here is a map of the proposed areas with Bavaria getting Bohemia, North Austria, and North Hungary. With Venice gaining Switzerland, South Austria and Tryolia, as well as South Hungary. Obviously tentative and subject to change.Andr3w777 (talk) 21:01, January 18, 2013 (UTC)

Hey since you can't fully aid in the war, can you at least send supplies? You can send them to my naval base at Gibraltar and I'll take care of the rest.AP (talk) 19:27, January 19, 2013 (UTC)

On another note about A:2012, I was wondering if I could write the nation page for South Africa, considering that the Africa Strike List is finished (if I read correctly). Enclavehunter (talk) 22:22, January 19, 2013 (UTC)

Sure. Here's what I had in mind:

  • 2012:
    • South Africa does not collaspe, unlike most African nations, and is the most stable nation in Africa, possibly.
    • Refugees begin arriving from collasping African nations in the north or vessels that were at sea in the South Atlantic and Indian Ocean.
  • 2013:
    • Contact with St.Helena, Ascension Island, Sandwhich Islands, and other British Overseas Territories in the South Atlantic and Indian Ocean.
      • I believe that these portions of the territority would come in contact with South Africa, espically with electricity and communications still running in both the islands and South Africa.
      • I also believe that Diego Garcia, an US Naval Base in the Indian Ocean, would make contact with South Africa, espically with communications still running.
  • On another note, I was thinking that the USS John C. Stennis and the USS Mobile Bay, bother US Navy ships stationed in the Persian Gulf, would make it to South Africa. Both ships were not in port during the Apocalypse and were in the Persian Gulf. And if they were not targeted and there was no strikes near the Strait of Hormuz, they would be able to evacuate the Persian Gulf and probally flee to the closest stable nation, which would be South Africa.
  • Thoughts, Enclavehunter (talk) 03:11, January 20, 2013 (UTC)

You have returned from your break, right? 77topaz (talk) 22:12, January 20, 2013 (UTC)

Oh. I was wondering would there be ISAF (American, British, etc.) forces in Afghanistan in this A:2012. Enclavehunter (talk) 04:43, January 21, 2013 (UTC)

That would be good. Is the map up to date? 77topaz (talk) 08:03, January 21, 2013 (UTC)

Oh one more thing. At approximately what point in day did the nukes start flying? Enclavehunter (talk) 18:38, January 21, 2013 (UTC)

Hey there. I'm excited for Islands to start, so when would it be possible to finish the map? Pavillion (talk) 18:42, January 22, 2013 (UTC)

I've started the weather. Having done a few basic calculations, I've decided to just fab the whole thing. Pitch in! The Royal Guns (It's a PUN, people. I'm not saying I'm royal. And the name is GUNS.) (talk) 01:42, January 23, 2013 (UTC)

Oh. I was thinking a mutual ceasefire between surviving ISAF forces and Taliban, espically due to both sides loosing heavy amount of troops or militants to the nuclear strikes and aftermath. I know they would hate them, but considering each lost alot of people, a sense of humanity would arise out of the chaos. And I believe this could be one of them.

On another note, I was wondering about the ISS and its crew? Enclavehunter (talk) 05:56, January 23, 2013 (UTC)

Did the electromagnetic pulses from the nukes destroy the satellite network. If not, I was thinking that contact between South Africa, Thailand, and New South Wales would remain in contact with each other through communication satellites. Enclavehunter (talk) 00:41, January 25, 2013 (UTC)

Say, you think Japan could possibly obtain the Southern Chishima/Kuril islands and maybe a bit more territory or no? Was thinking that after the Nuclear War event and some days later, they could probably plan on getting back on at least their claimed areas (in this case the Southern Chishima islands). -Kogasa Symbol of Natori, Miyagi.png宮城県.pngFlag of Japan.svg 2013年1月25日 23:51:59 (JST)

Okay then. I guess it'll be a long time before they can do that. Is it okay if I start the article of Japan? -Kogasa Symbol of Natori, Miyagi.png宮城県.pngFlag of Japan.svg 2013年1月26日 02:41:28 (JST)

Hey Scan. I was looking at the strike list for California and you currently have Riverside and San Bernardino on the Strike List.

Being a native of Southern California, Riverside nor San Bernardino have no reason to be struck by nuclear weapons. Both would serve no purpose if an EMP fried the infrastructure: airports destroyed, roads clogged, and rail tracks blocked. They also have no economic or military value, well besides March AFB, which mainly hosts C-17's and drones, which can serve no purpose if the EMP fried their electrical circuits, and their no oil reserves in the area. And how is that these two minor cities were nuked, but Fort Irwin, Barstow, and Anahiem survived the nuclear war.

Thus, I believe it is more plausible to replace Riverside and San Bernardino with Fort Iriwn, Barstow, and Anahiem for the strikes in California.

But it's your TL, so you pick what and what got nuked. Enclavehunter (talk) 00:23, January 28, 2013 (UTC)

Hey Scan, again. I was wondering what the strikes in Nevada and Michigan would be?

And I was wondeirng, if I could create a survivor nation in North America. Enclavehunter (talk) 23:53, February 3, 2013 (UTC)

Mind if I contribute? I got an idea for a Cacausus Commonwealth Daxus Inferno (talk) 19:42, February 21, 2013 (UTC)

Size of Manchuria's colonies in PMII

Can you help me figure out how big my colonies truly are? I can only make a guess at how large they are.--Yank 20:21, January 27, 2013 (UTC)

Scan why do you insist on pretending that Venice didn't loose its Albanian & Montenegrin territories? Venice lost those lands to the Caliphate in the Mahdi's third war. They became Caliphate owned and they got incorporated into Albania and Montenegro respectively. So why do you keep updating the map to show that Venice still owns these lands even though they lost them? You haven't invaded Albania or Montenegro so you shouldn't have them. VonGlusenburg (talk to Von!) 20:29, January 29, 2013 (UTC)

No worries mate, wish I'd just messaged you sooner to ask so this misunderstanding didn't last as long as it did. VonGlusenburg (talk to Von!) 01:23, January 31, 2013 (UTC)

Hello, The Ottoman Empire is now the Christian Kingdom of the Byzantines and The Kingdom of the Byzantines offers Venice an allaince and help in its war with Greece. (DeanSims: Talk) 12:30, February 1, 2013 (UTC)

Hey Scan. When I mentioned the map mistake, i meant to say the reverse. Collie's map was edited, not yours so I meant that your map should be canon. Sorry for the confusion. I hope you don't mind, i'm undoing that edit and getting rid of the wrong map:) AP (talk) 09:51, February 3, 2013 (UTC)

The Kingdom of Rome and Crimea begs the Venetiana for aid against the evik Moslems, we beg you and swear we forget claims,on Europe (DeanSims: Talk) 16:33, February 3, 2013 (UTC)

Territories (PMII)

Hey can you do me a favor and update the size of my nation on the territories page, also my new vassal Nassau still has not appeared on any map. Secondly, are you intrested in a joint invasion of Switzerland, you are entitled to a fair percentage if we winAndr3w777 (talk) 19:33, February 5, 2013 (UTC)

Germany and I are allied to the Netherlands, we helped them gain independence. Also, Gibraltar and West Point(Scandinavian Cuba) are valuable assets. So, sorry we can't help:(AP (talk) 02:43, February 7, 2013 (UTC)

AP and I will both help the Netherlands if you invade. However, we will both help you if you want to invade Burgundy.

            Regen Flag.png   "Fear the power of the Dark Side of the Force."  02:47, February 7, 2013 (UTC)

1983: Doomsday

The N.P.R.C proposes a possibility of funding the industrialization of the cities of Hanyang, Xiangyang, and Jingzhou. In return, 25% of the total profits could be alotted to Guangxinese companies. 

Canuck2012 (talk) 01:41, February 11, 2013 (UTC)Canuck2012

My Survivor Nation

Hey Scan, I was hoping you could look at a proposal for my survivor state located in my sandbox. Enclavehunter (talk) 01:05, February 15, 2013 (UTC)

PMII Proposal

I have an offer. I offer you Vastra Pekar(West Point) in exchange for Nuovo Milano. This is contingent on the fact that I will be allowed to retain a naval base in West Point so I can maintain naval power to protect my Caribbean interests.AP (talk) 21:57, February 17, 2013 (UTC)

First, that area was claimed as Mayan territory because the government began a campaign to regain it. Any other campaigns into that territory would be cause for war. If you look at the 1585 map, then you'll see that the dark grey area was the area that had no formal government, and the Mayans expanded into it the first turn.after the revolt. The other two areas were soverign states, so you would have had to gone to war with one or more of them. I am willing to observe some of your expansion into the darker grey area, but not into the lighter grey area. CourageousLife (talk) 21:27, February 19, 2013 (UTC)

Rainbow Dash. :) ima firin ma lazar!!!!! o(@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@ 17:39, February 23, 2013 (UTC)

Are you allied with Brandenburg btw? :P 1.png Imp (Say Hi?!) 19:02, February 24, 2013 (UTC)

That's good. I will need your support. Should I invade Bengal, cause AP is saying he will vassalise it, but I have fought a war with it. I really want Bengal, what should I do? 1.png Imp (Say Hi?!) 12:14, February 25, 2013 (UTC)

I have absolutely no problem with that mate :) 

But, if he tries to invade would I win? Because I am pretty sure I have 10 times the population of his country (c'mon, all his countries combined now is only 20 million). So, what do you say? 1.png Imp (Say Hi?!) 12:25, February 25, 2013 (UTC)

Ok. But what does affect a draw mean? :L 1.png Imp (Say Hi?!) 17:22, February 25, 2013 (UTC)

Mate, which country are you going to invade now? I would like to know this as I would like to send aid (as per our alliance requirments). But I will be looking to inavde Sundabang in a few turns, so I expect some aid in return :P 1.png Imp (Say Hi?!) 12:18, March 3, 2013 (UTC)

What method would this be?--Collie Kaltenbrunner (talk) 17:28, March 3, 2013 (UTC)

Malacca? Uh oh. That's a no go cause China's looking to expand into the area and I have promised not to interfere in Malacca's matters. Why not invade the Philippines or something else though? 1.png Imp (Say Hi?!) 15:44, March 4, 2013 (UTC)

I think that i should keep making the map.last time you was on the job, how do i say... every map, my colonies stayed the same size than in the first map, even though i posted correction maps every time that you posted the main, i understand that only i understand how my colonies expand, but that was a different matter altogether.that was about making the same mistakes that people say i'm making (and i am probably making sometimes) since the first installment.and plus, there are some implausibilities that certain users put on their corrections, and which should not be carried through on the main map.--Collie Kaltenbrunner (talk) 15:50, March 4, 2013 (UTC)

About Nea Gyptions being in Cuba, i heard nothing about it.when i saw the event, it was in Florida.the Mombasa thing, i forgot, and Genoa, well, it is a mess that i don't even know how to explain how it started and why.Anyway, abou color counter, nowadays i use two methods; color counter, coloring the target country in black, maybe reverting colors for the black arwas if they are on the map and then using color counter, or counting the pixels manually.--Collie Kaltenbrunner (talk) 22:03, March 4, 2013 (UTC)

Hey, Rome has a female heir to the throne and we would like to offer her to Venice in personal union, with Venice being the dominant partner in this Union. DS|Fear the Mutated Dean Sims Bomb, Fear It 13:32, March 8, 2013 (UTC)


Is it okay if Okinawa could expand into the Ryūkyū civil disarray and fight the pirates via expansion or should I declare war on them altogether? -Kogasa Miko THPW2.png Flag of Japan.svg 2013年3月11日 21:29:24 (JST)

Somali Sultanate Trade Offer

Hello. The new Somali Sultanate (Cushtic tribes region) has a trade offer. In return for iron ore, copper, and salt, Venice shall help the Somali Sultanate centralize it's government/bank and build up it's ecconomy/military. The first step in doing this is for the Somali Sultanate to vassilize the Swahili City States. We are open for further negoatian neccessary. Does this trade offer interest you? This is UglyTurtle, Signing off. 02:16, March 12, 2013 (UTC)

Hey can you check the moderator page for PM please? We're trying to make a decision but we need your input to the decision making process. VonGlusenburg (talk to Von!) 16:33, March 12, 2013 (UTC)


So, I realize that the Mayans aren't the most plausible nation on Earth. I want to try and change that, because I see that I'm rubbing the mods the wrong way. Do you have some suggestions for actions that you would consider plausible for me to do right now? CourageousLife (talk) 20:07, March 14, 2013 (UTC)

There's a few things I would like to discuss with you for PMII, but we need somewhere private.

            Great Seal of the United States (obverse).svg    SCRAWLAND INVICTUS || REX IMPERATOR   23:35, March 18, 2013 (UTC)

Do you feel comfortable with giving me your email or Skype?

            Great Seal of the United States (obverse).svg    SCRAWLAND INVICTUS || REX IMPERATOR   21:21, March 19, 2013 (UTC)

Got it. Pretty sure I found you.

            Great Seal of the United States (obverse).svg    SCRAWLAND INVICTUS || REX IMPERATOR   22:55, March 19, 2013 (UTC)

King Marcus asks Venice and its vassals to aid in a Roman invasion of the Muslim state of Georgia-Armenia. Please help in this invasion, i would really arpeciate it. DS|Fear the Mutated Dean Sims Bomb, Fear It 11:31, March 20, 2013 (UTC)

Would you like to support Cyprus and Crete in their war against Cyrenaica? You don't have to use the entirety of your nations, maybe just a vassal or two. Airlinesguy (talk) 11:01, March 21, 2013 (UTC)

Great! Done deal! Airlinesguy (talk) 21:32, March 21, 2013 (UTC)

According to the map, Austria is an NPC. Bavaria has long dreamed of adding Austria to the Empire. We would be willing to give you the southern portion in exchange for add in the conflict. also can you determine the algorithm before I officially declare war, I don't want to attack, only to lose.

Rome thanks you DS|Fear the Mutated Dean Sims Bomb, Fear It 11:32, March 22, 2013 (UTC)

Hey, I dont think i did the algorithm right, could you do it please?

DS|Fear the Mutated Dean Sims Bomb, Fear It

Hey, You would make a great a Japan, please join the game as Japan, you can control there puppets as well, and the USSR is still open as well as Italy, please join The Red Fall (Map Game), you would also be a great Co Head Mod

DS|Fear the Mutated Dean Sims Bomb, Fear It

Hello, I recently joined PMII as Carthage, I read through the last 25 or so years of history, anything else i should know before i make my first post, sir? Best Regards, G greg e (talk) 06:36, May 12, 2013 (UTC)

Night of the Living Alternate History

I invite you to participate in the Night of the Living Alternate History. There are many nations still available, and we should be starting soon. Mscoree (talk) 17:19, March 27, 2013 (UTC)

Was that part in your 1655 post about "​The current Venetian King decides to consolidate his lineage and offers the hands of his three granddaughters in marriage" reffering to that you are trying to marry those granddaughteers to foreign monarchs or something? if so, Castille is interested.--Collie Kaltenbrunner (talk) 07:18, March 30, 2013 (UTC)

So, Since it is like this, Castille is interested on the offer, since the king is trying to find a wife for the heir.Ah, and i am having to talk about this with you here because i don't know how to word this on the game, and plus, if i try there, we are not going to get anywhere.--Collie Kaltenbrunner (talk) 10:39, March 31, 2013 (UTC)

Apocalypse 2012: The Fate of Ireland

Am I doing Ireland? If so I have come up with a basic outline, extrapolated from when you said you wanted a 'Unified Ireland'.

  • Republic of Ireland responds well provisional capital set up within week.
  • Northern Ireland collapses as per rest of UK, many small states
  • Several claim to be the UK.
  • Once Ireland is back on it's feet and functioning internaly as well as before (Mid April / Early May) it begins sending reconisance parties north.
  • Contact and diplomacy (Rest of May)
  • Many small states join up, but some resist. (June/July)
  • War of Unification takes place (though it's more like several wars happening simultaniously - no N. Irish united front) (August - November)
  • Unified Ireland finaly proclaimed 1 year on from the Apocalypse (21.12.13)

How's that?

I reason there would be more resistance later because states will have had more time to stabilise and build up a sense of country.

I, personaly, dislike the idea of a United Ireland, I think it's too similar to DD. Thus I have tried to string it out over a longer period of time to avoid a carbon copy of the Celtic Alliance developing. By the time Ireland is unified, though they will be most powerful state in the former British Isles, they will not be able to take Wales, Cornwall, Scotland etc. and will have to resort to dipolmacy. I can see them acting like the US does in the world today, in the British Isles. David Rain (Sometimes...) (talk) 11:26, March 30, 2013 (UTC)

Could I please do Aberdeen? PLEASE!!! 1.png Imp (Say Hi?!) 14:19, March 30, 2013 (UTC)


Hey Scan. Orissa would like to pursue closer relations in-game, considering we are great powers (although you have the industrial edge). This would especially be good as we both are growing in might in the East Indies. What do you say?

This might mean we could fight a few collective battles in the region, if you agree. :D 1.png Imp (Say Hi?!) 17:24, April 2, 2013 (UTC)

for some reason I can't post pictures of any sort on the wiki, it keeps saying "permission error" I'm making a page and want to put my pictures on it.Andr3w777 (talk) 04:59, April 4, 2013 (UTC)

Do you want to go on chat? :L 1.png Imp (Say Hi?!) 14:13, April 9, 2013 (UTC)

Apocalypse 2012: Republic of Merrimack

Recently I created a page for your timeline, Apocalypse: 2012. The page, Republic of Merrimack, is currently under construction, and I'm not entirely sure if I'm allowed to contribute to the timeline yet, but tell me what you think. I'm open to suggestions. Thanks,
Mscoree (talk) 02:03, April 6, 2013 (UTC)

PMII Australian Aboriginies

Hey i'm playing as the Australian Aboriginies and i was hoping, as one of the mods, if you will look at my posts in 1668 defending the plausibility of what i am doing. One of the mods crossed it all out, i can't find out which one or i would be asking them, and i was hoping one of the mods could look at my defence, as no one has replied yet, so something could be done about it. Thanks in advance. Hailstormer (talk) 18:08, April 13, 2013 (UTC)

Thanks for that. I thought i was being plausible and i'm glad someone else saw it that way. I think i will stick with it, i have a plan to partially modernise the Koori Union in such a way that it is plausible, and by extension of that i should be able to put up at least a half decent defence. Just to ask, no one can colonise Australia until 1700 right? Hailstormer (talk) 12:50, April 14, 2013 (UTC)

Apocalypse: 2012

Scandinator, I am interested in Joining your timeline.  Would you be able to give me more information on this...If I join, could I write about North East United States (Pennsylvania, New York, Vermont, Massachusetts, Maine, Rhode Island, Conneticut, New Jersey).  I am also making a timeline called Korea Invasion: 2012...I am looking for people to add nations with my permission...Could you spread the word about this?  Would you like to help?Daeseunglim (talk) 18:59, April 18, 2013 (UTC)

Could I have NE US?Daeseunglim (talk) 18:29, April 19, 2013 (UTC)

I would like to form a nation called the State of Susquehanna Republic based in my hometown, Danville PA, and encompass out to Williamsport, up to Benton, and down to Sunbury.  Capitol: Danville (Centrally located), Population 320,000 or so, Military: More to come, Democratic Republic with a Senate and Council (OTL: House of Representatives)...Is that ok? Thanks.  FYI, if there is any specific area you would like in Korea Invasion: 2012, just post it on my talk page, I have very little claimed.Daeseunglim (talk) 15:45, April 21, 2013 (UTC)

Is that ok if I add a nations link?Daeseunglim (talk) 18:32, April 21, 2013 (UTC)

Koori Union (PMII)

Hello, i am playing as the Koori Union in PMII as you know. I am curious if you would be willing to sell Venice's OTL Papua New Guinea colony to the Koori Union? If so i shall also help you colonise an area of western Australia, as long as it doesn't clash with my prior commitment to help Japan with colonisation. What do you think? Hailstormer (talk) 14:31, April 21, 2013 (UTC)

Fair enough. Thanks for the quick reply. Hailstormer (talk) 14:40, April 21, 2013 (UTC)

Hello once again. I was hoping you could look at my post in 1678. Someone has deemed it implausible and i disagree with their comments, and i was hoping you could look at my defence for me. I ask you as you have previously looked at my defences whereas others have ignored them. Thanks in advance and i hope my defence proves fruitful. Hailstormer (talk) 16:50, April 22, 2013 (UTC)

I am willing to drop both the Japanese islands and ports from my posts as that isn't what is bothering me. But i will not give up the expansion along the east coast. I was told by one of the moderators i could expand by 10000km at turn and i have stuck to this rule. I counted out each individual pixel of my expansion to make sure that i was not overstepping what i could do in the time i have used. So i am 100% sure i could colonise the areas i have shown on the map on the Koori Union page as i spent hours counting out each damn pixel of my expansion to make sure it followed the rules. In terms of how i manage this territory, in my posts i have stated how each tribal council member has control of his own tribe when the Karmai is absent or unreachable in a reasonable sum of time. Therefore even though there are large distances between certain points of my nation, they are still under the Tribal Council's control, if not by extension the Karmai. I also think what is going on is really unfair as i have been putting this expansion in my turns for the past 5 years now and only this turn has anyone said they have issue with it, pretty much ruining my turns for the past 5 years. I am willing to get rid of the ports and Japanese islands but can i just keep my expansion? Hailstormer (talk) 10:45, April 23, 2013 (UTC)

Thank you. I will bulk up the coast then. So just to clarify you are saying that the expansion on the Koori Union page, the expansion that i have done, is now accepted? Here is a link to the page:

Hailstormer (talk) 11:03, April 23, 2013 (UTC)

Can't i just keep the land now and guarantee that i will spend the next two decades building up the coast i currently have? It seems like it is the same as what you are saying but just the other way round? Hailstormer (talk) 11:21, April 23, 2013 (UTC)

I wanted to do that in the first place but the expansion would have been too quick each time i intergrated a tribe. But if you are saying that is fine then that is what i will do. The only reason i ask to keep the current borders is that i have set up a large number of settlements and if we retcon the borders then my posts won't make any sense. Hailstormer (talk) 16:02, April 23, 2013 (UTC)

Ok i have drawn up a map of Koori expansion so it follows the guidelines you set out. Is it ok? Hailstormer (talk) 16:17, April 23, 2013 (UTC)

Koori Union Expansion (PMII).png

Hi, I'm not playing in the PMII game, but I've just seen the post you put on the page, and there are no reported cases of the Plague and Smallpox striking at once so that doesn't make sense. Local (talk

Hey buddy i have a quick question. What happens when someone puts a diplomatic proposal to an NPC in PMII? Do one of the mods use a random number generator, or decide the most plausible response? Also what is the largest proposal you can put before an NPC? For example could you invite a nation to join with your own nation? Hailstormer (talk) 17:22, April 25, 2013 (UTC)

I need something clearing up. Does Normandy have control of Tasmania or not? I am happy that he is ceding the land to me but i just want to confirm it is his to cede. Hailstormer (talk) 22:40, April 27, 2013 (UTC)

Just a heads up I think you need to tell Normandy he does not own Tasmania, as he is currently posting as if he does. Hailstormer (talk) 21:55, April 28, 2013 (UTC)

Quick question, what does 0.5 turns mean in the rules? Hailstormer (talk) 21:44, May 5, 2013 (UTC)


Sure thing. I'll be able to do that for you. :D 1.png Imp (Say Hi?!) 16:49, May 2, 2013 (UTC)


Would it be ok if my mate played as the Falkland Islanders? Hailstormer (talk) 14:07, May 3, 2013 (UTC)

Ello Scand. Ok heres the deal, were invading Persia, do you want in? you can get some pretty good land if you do.

DS|Fear the Mutated Dean Sims Bomb, Fear It 12:26, May 6, 2013 (UTC)

please dont attack Rome -Dean

ok thats a really big releif. You would kick my a#$ into the dirt adn then burn it if you attacked. What nations are your allies? DS|Fear the Mutated Dean Sims Bomb, Fear It 16:01, May 6, 2013 (UTC)

if you dont mind ill be adding your supprot to my algorithm agaisnt Perisa. Your aid will help me destroy them. DS|Fear the Mutated Dean Sims Bomb, Fear It 16:02, May 6, 2013 (UTC)

You're the mapmaker for PMII, right? I had a question about the boundaries on the 1695 map that I can't ask on a public chat because it might give away my long-term strategy. Is chat a good way to do that? Commandante Lemming (talk) 01:08, May 8, 2013 (UTC)


How have you colonised Fiji so quickly? You can't reach it from your main nation or within a reasonable distance of your other colonies so you shouldn't be able to do so. Hailstormer (talk) 11:59, May 8, 2013 (UTC)

Plus it wasn't colonised till 1822 OTL. So colonising them in 1695 ATL is really implausible as there would be no point. Hailstormer (talk) 12:09, May 8, 2013 (UTC)

Hey during 1700 im going to proclaim the Second Roman Empire, and want you to know that i dont want any of your lands, id like Constantinople, but itl never happen. Im just letting you know so that you dont thnik ill attack you or your allies, and the Levanite will never be attacked, theyre safe and off limits. DS|Fear the Mutated Dean Sims Bomb, Fear It 16:16, May 8, 2013 (UTC)

yay :) thatl help a LOT. But if i do form the 2nd Roman Empire, i just want you to know i wont be taking any of your lands or try to. DS|Fear the Mutated Dean Sims Bomb, Fear It 16:23, May 8, 2013 (UTC)

I was referring to the jump from the Galapagos Islands to French Polynesia rather than from Samoa to Fiji. Which i'm pretty sure didn't take place until after you captured the Incas. I can't disagree with your reasons for wanting these islands, as i hold many the same. Also i thought i would inform you that i have colonised Vanuatu and New Caledonia this turn, so they are under my control. These are the islands just west of Fiji. Also i would appreciate it if you didn't expand onto the remaining Solomon Islands, which is the island chain north of Vanuatu, as i plan to take these remaining islands. I think this is a fair request because, as you said, you already have many profitable colonies whereas i have zero. I have also offered you two deals in my current post for trade and a non-aggression pact so feel free to reply when ready. Hailstormer (talk) 16:44, May 8, 2013 (UTC)

Sorry probably should have wrote what i meant more effectively. Well if you say so, but don't be surprised somewhere down the line if i use this as an example for a jump of my own. I'm glad about the Solomon Islands. How will you attempt to contest them as i have already colonised them? Hailstormer (talk) 17:20, May 8, 2013 (UTC)

Also the fact that you replied to my trade offer and not my non-aggression pact offer worries me greatly. Hailstormer (talk) 17:21, May 8, 2013 (UTC)

Fair enough, i will keep that i mind. Ok i have just counted the pixels and realised you are right, so i will do it over a couple of turns. I have changed my post so that i got Vanuatu this turn, and i will get New Caledonia next turn. Haha yeah that situation didn't really pan out the way i imagined. Hailstormer (talk) 17:47, May 8, 2013 (UTC)

Great War

Second Roman Empire: Rome demands that Italia back down and withdraw from the Pacific Ocean and colonies under 200 people, and that the Koori will have the full faith and support of the Roman Empire. A secret Roman expedition bringing 500 Roman soliders and 3,000 Roman guns to the Koori Union finally reaches its destination. Military, infrastrucure and economy are completed. Rome also calls on the nations of the world to "see that Orrisia and Venice will not stop once the worlds lands are all settled, they will look at the weaker nations, and one by one go after them. We must stand together to halt Venetain and Orissian Imperialism, or else eventaully we shall all fall into the graveyard of nations." Rome also completes its naval buildup, adn 3 new fleets, the Mediteranean, the Atlantic, and Pacific Fleets, each which is crewed with battle hardened war veterans from previous conflicts.

hello, Rome and Russia want to drop out of the conflict, which will assure you of winning DS|Fear the Mutated Dean Sims Bomb, Fear It 18:25, May 14, 2013 (UTC)

the SRE no longer exists. its now the United Kingdom of Rome and Persia, weve ended all operatiosn agasint you and pulled all our forces back. What do you want for peace? DS|Fear the Mutated Dean Sims Bomb, Fear It 12:05, May 15, 2013 (UTC)

ive only been planning this for two game years. DS|Fear the Mutated Dean Sims Bomb, Fear It 16:00, May 15, 2013 (UTC)


ok heres my offer, you get a huge chunk, more than half of Anatolia and dominance over the Medditeranean Sea, at least in the east,and its more land than what you originally asked for: 

DS|Fear the Mutated Dean Sims Bomb, Fear It 16:12, May 15, 2013 (UTC)

Okay I've got Emir Ahmed of Media in the Levant asking the King's daughter to marry him. Then Levant and Caliphate enter a dynastic union. Can you respond in game if you agree or not please? VonGlusenburg (talk to Von!) 20:22, May 15, 2013 (UTC)

Im sorry that too has been cede to Russia DS|Fear the Mutated Dean Sims Bomb, Fear It 11:32, May 16, 2013 (UTC)

Here, the lands already been legally given to Russia and Cyprus, and your in Personal Union with Russia and Cyprus is NUETRAL. Heres my offer anyway: and it cuts my Medditeraean Trade for good DS|Fear the Mutated Dean Sims Bomb, Fear It 16:18, May 16, 2013 (UTC)

The territroies in Cyprus's color and Russias color have already been legally given to those nations, the Venetian territroy is our offer for peace

those two areas are Russian can you join me on chat please? DS|Fear the Mutated Dean Sims Bomb, Fear It 17:33, May 16, 2013 (UTC)

Okay seeing how the Levant and Caliphate are now in dynastic union is it okay if I take post as them? Its not like you've been doing so and I got Fed's permission to take them over a few days ago on my talk page. VonGlusenburg (talk to Von!) 22:03, May 16, 2013 (UTC)

Yeah I will for a while, but my long term plan involves splitting up the Levant into 3 new parts, the Sinai and connecting territories will join the Caliphate, Egypt will rebel away as a new state, and the rest of the Levant shall remain as a reduced Levantine state.

Anyway that plan is for the future, our current concern would be Dean wanting Syria... VonGlusenburg (talk to Von!) 01:29, May 18, 2013 (UTC)

I appreciate that you are willing to help, but I feel like I gained almost nothing from the war. I know I got York, but that was because the player decided to resign as York by offering vasalization, and Normandy and I made our own peace accords, which were not taken into account in our final accords. (Treaty of Nantes). I will be willing to let you have Tasmania if you can get me the rest of Normandy. As far as the war goes, my next war will be against Leinster, and I will win easily. Thanks, Reximus55 (talk) 13:03, May 19, 2013 (UTC)

We did actually declare war. If you look, Wales was marked (L). Our vassal only were marked (MV). Therefore, we were also at risk of being attacked. We did greatly weaken the Norman and Yorkish war efforts. In addition, we have sent troops to fight Koori since the start of our invovlement, as well as fighting with Russia. It says that we toppled the opposition. Can I get Aquitaine/Normandy and you can get Tasmania? Reximus55 (talk) 14:00, May 19, 2013 (UTC)

Ok, so you are willing (as are the other leaders) to recognize the Norma right to exist? I just wanted to claim that so I could make sure Cookiedamage does not lose his nation. I would give it back to him, but didn't want others to take his nation (Germany). Reximus55 (talk) 14:07, May 19, 2013 (UTC)

Some quick points. Its the United Maharajya of Orissa, lol. But apart from that, the map seems pretty darn good, lol. :D 1.png Imp (Say Hi?!) 11:01, May 20, 2013 (UTC)

Where is Nuovo Milano? Flag of the Hurian Federation.png Vivaporius: "I don't need a slogan" 03:19, May 21, 2013 (UTC)

Ah. Well no thank you. I was looking to expand my empire into the Indian Ocean. It's the best gain I've made so far. Thank you for the offer though. Flag of the Hurian Federation.png Vivaporius: "I don't need a slogan" 03:34, May 21, 2013 (UTC)

You take Manchuria and parts of the eastern coast, while I take most of Southern China.

Here's what. I'll give you Tasmania in exchange for the piece of land you have on Sumatra. I've been trying to get at the Acehese for a century now. Flag of the Hurian Federation.png Vivaporius: "I don't need a slogan" 14:46, May 21, 2013 (UTC)

Here's what, you can have Tasmania, but I also want your support in a war against China in the future. You can have northern China, but I want southern China for myself. And you can have your parts of Egypt too. Flag of the Hurian Federation.png Vivaporius: "I don't need a slogan" 17:21, May 21, 2013 (UTC)

Okay, you can have Zhejiang, Jiangsu, Shanghai, and Shangdong. However, I would like the rest of southern China, and maybe parts of the north if you don't want that. Flag of the Hurian Federation.png Vivaporius: "I don't need a slogan" 15:48, May 22, 2013 (UTC)

Viva, the same thing happens to me when I go to a Chinese buffet. I fill my plate with all kinds of things that I have no way of eating. Sometimes I don't even know what the hell it is, but it's tasty. But you get full faster than you'll believe. And guess what? You can't have this egg roll. You can't handle it.

Seriously, your plan is retarded. Also, you forgot the Philipines on your map. CrimsonAssassin (talk) 17:09, May 22, 2013 (UTC)


Hello. If it's okay with you, can I buy back my former Tokaido colony? -Kogasa Miko THPW2.png Flag of Europe.svg 2013 May 22, 13:39 (CET)

Oh? Well I did see you annex all of former Tokaido, but I didn't seem to see it being given back to me in game, so I assumed you still had it. -Kogasa Miko THPW2.png Flag of Europe.svg 2013 May 22, 14:03 (CET)


Given the recent proclamations regarding the PRC's intended expansion to the coast, the NPRC proposes a mutual alliance between Gansu, Guangxi and the NPRC. Economic and technological aid could be considered, if feasible, to help support possible future integration.

Canuck2012 (talk) 00:40, May 24, 2013 (UTC)Canuck2012

Second Fail War

Hey, perfect chance for you to take out Germany has arrived. Join Ethiopia and Orissa against the Germans and Arabs and you can have your pick of any part of Europe. Times running out, once Imp gets involved (and Ethiopia's population bonus is fixed), we'll be winning the war. So come on out and join the fight! The Hurian Database Wiki Vivaporius: "I don't need a slogan" 13:46, June 3, 2013 (UTC)

Scan you forget that the Levant who you are in dynastic union with is supporting the Arabians. Orissa is getting mauled of its own accord, they shouldn't have interfered. You're also breaking your alliance with me and Germany by helping them. I suggest you remain neutral or just abandon this 1 ally to help 4 of your other allies & get yourself Tasmania yourself for free. VonGlusenburg (talk to Von!) 15:28, June 4, 2013 (UTC)


You have your land now. The Hurian Database Wiki Vivaporius: "I don't need a slogan" 15:49, June 4, 2013 (UTC)

Re: Negotiated Saxon-Ethiopia Peace

If you could make it that they return Saint Thomas and sign an assurance that they will not attack Saxon West Africa (at least not for a century) then I will withdraw from the war. Callumthered (talk) 22:52, June 4, 2013 (UTC)

Alrighty then, thank you. The Hurian Database Wiki Vivaporius: "I don't need a slogan" 12:08, June 5, 2013 (UTC)

Seeing how Collie isn't really helping, can you lend a hand to the war algorithm? Namely Imp claiming their motive score has gone up because of the war, and also removing nations from the war. VonGlusenburg (talk to Von!) 17:47, June 6, 2013 (UTC)

PM2 independent mod check

Hello, okay the latest large war has had its algorithm completed. In my mod position I have locked it and I deem it to be accurate and correct. To ensure there is no bias and the algorithm is correct, I'd like you and the other mods who are neutral in this war to check the algorithm to judge if it's correct. Thank you. VonGlusenburg (talk to Von!) 23:42, June 6, 2013 (UTC)

If you don't want to go to war with Ternate, then may I let you know about my plans. After this war was over I was going to have the Levant vassalize the Ternate Sultanate, this would be done mainly by giving them my colony in the area. So if you don't want a war, support me vassalizing them and I'll sell you their land on Papua New Guinea and surrounding islands to the east of Manokwari. What'd you think? You don't have to go to war, meaning no war penalities or algorithm making, and it won't cost you much either since you're family (to the Levantines anyway). VonGlusenburg (talk to Von!) 16:17, June 10, 2013 (UTC)

Nevermind then, I'd rather keep my colony in Jamacia as its my only American colony. Curse you for acting before I did against Ternate, LOL. VonGlusenburg (talk to Von!) 18:03, June 10, 2013 (UTC)

I know, I think you may have misinterpretated my tone then lol. I ain't mad. VonGlusenburg (talk to Von!) 18:28, June 10, 2013 (UTC)

I have several questions. First on the industrialization map, Bavaria spent a large amount of time paving the way for industry, and invented numerous inventions that should help, yet Bavaria is listed as yellow on the map, but Slovakia, which IS Bavaria, its the Eastern Half is in orange. I contest and say Bavaria should be orange not yellow, I am not good enough for red but should not be yellow. Second, Me and Saxony are planing on possibly forming a Germanic Union, and we would like to know if our mutual alliances shall remain. I also would like to see if Italia would aid Bavaria in expanding industry.

On a side note, do you have any near africa territories your willing to sell or loan for a period of years, I'm attempting to colonize im pretty late due to years without a shore, but now that i have ocean access i am building a merchant marine of my own and Navy. Perhap if not land, then aid in growing are admittedly small navy.Andr3w777 (talk) 17:54, June 14, 2013 (UTC) 

Much abliged. Bavaria thanks Italia for its generous offer.Andr3w777 (talk) 02:22, June 15, 2013 (UTC)

Italy wouldn't be interested in renewing one of the game's longest standing alliances, would it?

            Great Seal of the United States (obverse).svg    SCRAWLAND INVICTUS || REX IMPERATOR   05:38, June 15, 2013 (UTC)

OK, that's fine with me.

            Great Seal of the United States (obverse).svg    SCRAWLAND INVICTUS || REX IMPERATOR   00:32, June 16, 2013 (UTC)

Also, if I invaded Provence, would you intervene on the Catholic side? After all, we both need the Pope off of his high chair.

            Great Seal of the United States (obverse).svg    SCRAWLAND INVICTUS || REX IMPERATOR   00:55, June 16, 2013 (UTC)

I desperately need Italia's aid in pushing back the invaders next year, I cannot afford to lose my nation to a bent General to the north, I ask my oldest ally to come to my defense in my time of need, I cannot promise much except for gold, but my nation is at stake.Andr3w777 (talk) 16:36, July 5, 2013 (UTC)

I will, do not worry. :D 1.png Imp (Say Hi?!) 09:44, July 8, 2013 (UTC)

Can you come on chat? Reximus Maximus  07:37, July 25, 2013 (UTC)

While I do trust you on breaking up the rest of your empire, I hope you appreciate the value of this act to show that mods aren't biased towards there own countries. Anyway you can defeat this revolt for sure, unless you want Hungary to get independence now. Feel free to pick either the Italians or Hungarians in this war and do what you think is right. A failed revolt is always good inspiration for future rebels but on the other hand, perhaps an independent Hungary could be our revolutionary first on the path to European nationalism? I leave it up to you to decide what to do with your treatment of this revolt but it has happened. I have other revolts planned too, in Arabia and Mongolia.

I like the sound of your future communist nation btw. VonGlusenburg (talk to Von!) 11:06, July 25, 2013 (UTC)

are you going to join? We could really use your help.Andr3w777 (talk) 12:55, July 25, 2013 (UTC)

you'll get Georgia and Chimu.....Andr3w777 (talk) 13:02, July 25, 2013 (UTC)


Join me, and you can get all this:

  • western parts of Indochina
  • Indian territory in the Pacific (excluding Borneo)
  • Saxon and Bavarian Australia
  • eastern Carthage and Bavarian Africa
  • Saxon Gabon
  • Indian South America
  • Netherlands South America (if you want it)
  • The Levant
  • Venaissin
  • Tyrol
  • Salzburg
  • everything else is negotiable

            Great Seal of the United States (obverse).svg    SCRAWLAND INVICTUS || REX IMPERATOR   17:10, July 25, 2013 (UTC)

And then lose northern italy next time he decides to break an alliance. KunarianTALK 17:15, July 25, 2013 (UTC)
That's impossible in theory because this war will make us even. Besides, war is inevitable. Always. Someone has to take the initiative.             Great Seal of the United States (obverse).svg    SCRAWLAND INVICTUS || REX IMPERATOR   17:57, July 25, 2013 (UTC)

I see that the answer is no. I am confounded by this decision.             Great Seal of the United States (obverse).svg    SCRAWLAND INVICTUS || REX IMPERATOR   19:46, July 26, 2013 (UTC)


As you have probably noticed i have decided to rejoin PMII as the Australian Aborigines, and i was curious if you could come on chat to discuss this? Hailstormer (talk) 11:08, July 26, 2013 (UTC)

Chat? Hailstormer (talk) 15:43, July 28, 2013 (UTC)

Scan can I get your opinion on Dean's latest escapade since it involves taking a large amount of your territory? I don't think it should be allowed as he has no authority to do this, he destroyed his own nation metagamingly and this precidence opens the floodgates to loads of other non-mod revolts and crap. I want to stop it all from happening but I want your opinion on the matter too. Collie seems to be against all of this too. VonGlusenburg (talk to Von!) 18:34, July 29, 2013 (UTC)

Can we chat about that deal we talked about? Hailstormer (talk) 20:06, July 29, 2013 (UTC)

Seeming as Andrew and Scraw metagamingly made Bavaria and Brandenburg best pals again, I'm free to help you against rebels, I'll send help and with an algorithm, I think you can prove that you'd crush them. KunarianTALK 01:14, July 30, 2013 (UTC)

No what you did was perfectly legitamite, I was just making sure you hadn't agreed to this plan is all. Also I don't like the idea of the German war ending like it has. Very metagame-y. If you ask me this whole ceasefire should be removed for metagaming rule breaking and we force the war to end because this is just an impossible end to the war with what happened, the only reason is the player relations in the metagame. VonGlusenburg (talk to Von!) 20:50, July 30, 2013 (UTC)

PM2 German Succession War Mod check=

Hello, okay the latest large war has had its algorithm completed. In my mod position I have locked it and I deem it to be accurate and correct (minus a few issues which have already been highlighted). To ensure there is no bias and the algorithm is correct, I'd like you and the other mods who are neutral in this war to check the algorithm to judge if it's correct. Thank you. VonGlusenburg (talk to Von!) 20:02, August 2, 2013 (UTC)

Map Contest

2nd Place Medal.png

Congratulations, you've won second place in the King of the Hill Map Contest! CourageousLife (talk) 23:48, August 4, 2013 (UTC)

Hey Scan! Yeah, I'd love to do that! Thanks! In regards to the Cold War, if this goes ahead, could we have a more closely allied Yugoslavia-USSR relationship, as in I remain nominally independent but very close to the leader state Italia. If that's okay with you of course. Maybe a closely unified Mediterranean pact instead of a Warsaw pact? I'm really quite happy with either, but thanks for the land :D Airlinesguy (talk) 10:31, August 5, 2013 (UTC)

Okay, that's fine. Do you have anyone else who might be in with this socialist idea? Airlinesguy (talk) 06:42, August 6, 2013 (UTC)


join me chat, please?

Could you please join Normandy's side in the Brythonic War? Hailstormer mentioned Italia and the Icelandic Imperium had close relationships and alliances. It would be greatly appreciated if you would join and fight Wales. Thank you.Cookiedamage (talk) 21:51, August 6, 2013 (UTC)'

Okay great. Airlinesguy (talk) 08:34, August 7, 2013 (UTC)

Would you mind posting as the Levantines? I'm going on my exchange year soon so I won't be playing PM2 any more so since Italia is still in dynastic union with the Levant, can you start posting as them once I leave? They just got a new King called Ezekiel and he is infertile, so he is going to have one of his Italian Royal cousins inherit his throne once he dies. I'll let you work out the details for yourself but yeah the Levant needs a new player since I'm going. Are you willing? VonGlusenburg (talk to Von!) 11:26, August 9, 2013 (UTC)

I am calling in that favour. I will be on chat all day so join when you come online, please. Hailstormer (talk) 12:11, August 9, 2013 (UTC)

If this is about the Turkish rebels, its only the far East of your Anatolia, its mainly my Turkish nation and Scraw's Georgia. It won't be a problem I just wanted to make a Turkish state since the Ottomans fell and the Turks in the region would want some self-rule. Feel free to invade them and do whatever once I'm gone but I want to leave the Middle East in a particular way. I'll be creating new nations as my territories split up. VonGlusenburg (talk to Von!) 16:42, August 9, 2013 (UTC)

"Penguin Lillies"

Since you're the disaster moderator - I thought I'd let you know that I left you a little gift from the Selk'nam. Those "Penguin Lillies" I've been cultivating (known as Callitriche antarctica in the real world) have the potential to get out of hand. I've been doing a lot of region on Antarctic vegtation to try to find plausible ways to feed Selk'nam colonists, and I stumbled upon some research from Australia where they've been testing rare antarctic plants to see if they can be turned into vegetable crops. Here's an excerpt: "Callitriche antarctica, on the other hand has another problem, despite its potential as a complement to smoked salmon. It has some interesting medical properties...but Dawson says it could also become an aquatic weed if grown in Australian mainland conditions". 

In other words - the only thing keeping this plant in check is the cold climate it grows in. In non-arctic conditions, it grows a lot better and is likely to become an invasive species...and I just gave a whole bunch of them to Rex and taught him how to grow them on a massive scale in European rivers....oops. 

You're welcome  ;-)

Commandante Lemming (talk) 20:01, August 9, 2013 (UTC)


PMII Vandalism/Changing the Story

Hey Scand. I just wanted to call attention to (if you haven't already seen), an important change in events in the past 24 hours. I have gone into a lot of detail on the talk page, but for now I just wanted to make sure you were aware. Pretty much, Hailstormer editted a turn 16 hours late, and then went ahead and changed the course of Brythonic history with that one edit. Now, I noticed when I went to post this, that Hail had been on your talkpage about being on chat, and a favor, but I know you will be reasonable (as normal) and do what is best for the game. Thanks, ~Rex.

Can you come on chat? Hailstormer (talk) 08:51, August 15, 2013 (UTC)

PM2 Levantine Kingdom

Hey Scan can you start posting as the Levantine Kingdom itself now please? Use it however you want to deal with your revolution but the Levant is currently against it so don't be silly with it lol. Oh and the Levant also has the Maldives as its vassal too, so remember to post as them too.

Many thanks, --VonGlusenburg (talk to Von!) 12:57, August 16, 2013 (UTC)

The Congress of Montreal has begun to discuss the division of Antillia and avoid future conflicts, please attend as your participation in this matter is vital.

DS|Im Coocoo for Cocoa Puffs!! 17:15, August 17, 2013 (UTC)

Remember that the Levant has its New Syria colony in South Africa with can expand 4500 sq km each year. And remember to post as the Maldives too as they are a Levantine vassal. Also can you please do a bit more with the Levant in your posts? They are very short and not much goes on. VonGlusenburg (talk to Von!) 15:27, August 20, 2013 (UTC)

Join And there was light. The one and only Guns, who is too lazy to go to source mod and type out his real sig. (talk) 17:15, August 28, 2013 (UTC)

Scan, Scraw and Crimson has just invaded my lands. I can promise you Germany in exchange for your help. Imp may join in too, so may have a shot at destroying Germany and China. The Hurian Database Wiki Vivaporius: "I don't need a slogan" 01:54, September 5, 2013 (UTC)

I may be mistaken, but a while ago, you said you'd help me in a war when I needed it. I might need it. CrimsonAssassin- "I have special eyes" 01:55, September 5, 2013 (UTC)

You get Ethiopian Australia and your pick of African land. I only want two areas of land in this war. Crim and I together only specifically targeted three areas of land.

            Regen Flag.png   "Fear the power of the Dark Side of the Force."  02:30, September 5, 2013 (UTC)

You also stated in confidence not more than a month ago, after you got stomped, that you wanted my help to rebuild your empire and betrayed me the moment you could. So I don't really think your worth the effort to helping yet a second time. The Hurian Database Wiki Vivaporius: "I don't need a slogan" 02:49, September 5, 2013 (UTC)

Scan, Sine left the war (kinda screwing us over). If you and some of your vassals join the war as leaders, you could get a lot of territory from Ethiopia and stop their raging superiority complex (which is the most beautiful part in my opinion). I implore you to join the war. CrimsonAssassin- "I have special eyes" 01:27, September 7, 2013 (UTC)


Hi Scan. Scraw speaking. I assume you know what's happening in PMII right now. I wanted to tell you that I'll give you Neu Mecklenburg if you remain neutral (in case you missed my offer in game). If you join me (M, S, L, whatever), I'll give you a share of land in the case of my victory.

            Regen Flag.png   "Fear the power of the Dark Side of the Force."  00:33, September 14, 2013 (UTC)

Franco-Hellenic War

Hi Scan :D could you support me in the war, or I'll be beaten to a pulp :/ You can get areas of North Africa (good for oil and stuff later) and we're good allies, so I'd like the help if that's okay, and you can take land off France too. Airlinesguy (talk) 02:02, September 15, 2013 (UTC)

PMII Britain

Hey - noticed you're doing a lot in the Britain sphere right now and since I have interests  via the Apostolic Church there I thought I should get in contact.

1) The Prime Bishop is resident in Avalon (even though the city itself was decimated, we've maintained a court), please don't hurt him - multiple nations have an interest in his survival (Me, Kogasa who controls the current one, and Grantzu)

2) I would beg you to keep ex- British territories Apostolic - you would get a vote on the leadership every ten years and the whole religion is rigged so that it can't be used for malevolent purposes by anyone (self-included - I have other tools for that, this was intended as a stabilizer). This is a win-win for you.

3) There is an Apostolic Prime Bishop election in 1836 and if you hold British territories I will include you in the voting membership. Feel free to submit candidates if you want to control the thing for a few years, this election is wide open an I have no clue where the votes will go - seriously haven't even decided my own.

Commandante Lemming (talk) 14:52, September 25, 2013 (UTC)

Selk'nam Industry Score

Hey Scan - Collie said to ask you about my industrialization score as I got left off the updated map (I'm red to begin with so my map color doesn't stick out - but I know I can't possibly be red on the industry chart). I was originally sky blue but judging by my closeness to expanding organge colonies (and my deep ties to them) I'm thinking I should probably be light green now (maybe even yellow). Either way, if my color has changed I need to rapidly deepend industry. Commandante Lemming (talk) 16:46, September 27, 2013 (UTC)

PMII Normandy

The republic thing is totally fine. In my recent post I mentioned a rumor circulating in the council of a vote to reinstate the monarchy, and I don't know where that's going yet but it's up to you whether it's a vote or not. Thanks for telling me!

Cookiedamage (talk) 21:04, September 27, 2013 (UTC)

Scan i know we've not recently been friendly in PMII, but i'm facing a war that will give Scraw and Imp power in france which is something i don't want and that i'm sure you don't need either so could you please help me to fight my new foes. Sine dei gloriem (talk) 21:06, September 29, 2013 (UTC)

Regardless of the result, he's only losing a few colonies here and there. No worries here.

            Regen Seal.png   "Fear leads to anger. Anger leads to hate. Hate leads to suffering."  21:11, September 29, 2013 (UTC)

Perhaps i may loose one a few colonies, or perhaps i could loose completely until the algo is done neither of us can assure anything, but france against a world power and a fairly big power its fairly an obvious result. Sine dei gloriem (talk) 21:27, September 29, 2013 (UTC)

​PMII England

Can I play as them? I won't do any stupid stuff, I just want to join PMII Mafia (talk) 22:47, October 11, 2013 (UTC)

May I play as Belgium in PMII?Rcchang (talk) 00:34, October 12, 2013 (UTC)


WEll Russia is going to invade me ALREADY, and i kinda need help Flag of Palestine.svg one truth one consumer M107 artillery vietnam 6ht.jpg

Are there any nations in Western Europe that are stronger? Mafia (talk) 08:09, October 12, 2013 (UTC)

What would be a good nation to be then? I would prefer European I think, or a Colony/ex colony. Mafia (talk) 12:40, October 12, 2013 (UTC)

What Russian American Colonies? Mafia (talk) 12:42, October 12, 2013 (UTC)

Hey Scan, after much consideration i have decided to join PMII again, but in a much diminished extent to what i have done previously. As a result, could you release England to my command? I know the constraints caused by the years of warfaring, but i can't stand to see the British Isles go into the finale in such a sorry state. I will still request some Italian protection, but in the form of an alliance, and i vouch not to take part in any conflicts, My goal will be to try and create the United Commonwealth, a republican version of the United Kingdom, but i shall do so in a slow and steady state. Hailstormer (talk) 11:57, October 15, 2013 (UTC)

Thank you very much. Shall i take command of all of them at the same time? How long do you think it will take to unite them? Is there anything else apart from the language barrier i should be aware of? Hailstormer (talk) 16:24, October 15, 2013 (UTC) 

Ok i shall leave it to you. What sort of timescale are we looking at? That is good, how far behind you are we now? Well at least none of that is impossible to deal with. I plan on having a much more equal union of states than in OTL. Hailstormer (talk) 17:35, October 15, 2013 (UTC)

PMII Americas

Hi, Scand. I have recently grown disillusioned with the series of events targeted at Persia. I made a mistake, I admit, but I am pretty much done with Persia. I plan to kill my nation by an invasion on the Arabian Federation and Levantine Kingdom while at the same time attacking Germany and the Kazakhs. This would obviously be suicide, and would allow me to take on a new nation.

I am interested in the Americas. You play as a large amount of the Americas, and I was wondering if I could play as the main nation in the OTL Southeastern US. I feel that I can contribute a lot to this region, which is really kind of lacking (with the exception of CourageousLife and Lemming).

I really hope to be able to play as this nation, but I would need some insight into their past, like the establishment dates, the different cultures, treatment of natives, etc.

Thank you for your time, Reximus Maximus 11:11, October 17, 2013 (UTC)

The other option that I may have is to play as Aymara. Collie has given me an ok to play as Argentina, and I was thinking that, because of the European dominance over South America, I could make a Latin culture based on Italian, Portuguese, and French cultures. I could possibly organize a revolt against the Orissans in the Dutch/Brythonic former De Mor Tir.

Thanks, Reximus Maximus   18:24, October 17, 2013 (UTC)

What about if I were to play as the Levantines? I could combine Persia and the Levant to make a much more powerful state. Would that be acceptable to you? If not, I think I may end up playing as one of the rebelling Slavic states in Eastern Europe, or a nation in the Americas.

Are you sure about the Aymara? I think that I could easily use them to create a powerful S. American state to fill the void that currently exists. Just some thoughts and ideas --  Reximus Maximus  17:25, October 18, 2013 (UTC)

Soon, as a part of Imps mod events, Germany will become in union with England and take the isles. We would ask that you remain neutral in this. The isles are largely German in this time and we have no ill will toward Italia or her protected, the Netherlands. Trust Me, I'm The Doctor (talk) 19:11, October 18, 2013 (UTC)

Hey Scan. I was wondering if you would let the Isles go seeing as to how your nation should start gearing up to the war to avenge what happened with Yugoslavia. Remember Antillia? XD 1.png Imp (Say Hi?!) 19:17, October 18, 2013 (UTC)

I should start amping up too. :D 1.png Imp (Say Hi?!) 19:20, October 18, 2013 (UTC)

Could I talk to you on chat right now?             Ancapflag.svg   I find your lack of faith disturbing.  15:46, October 27, 2013 (UTC)

So, I decided to go with a nation made up of Sine's nations, vassals, and colonies in Colombia/Venezuela. However, I am still wondering if there is a chance that the Chimu nation would begin to rebel against the Italians and attempt to join L'Atlantide, the name of my nation.

What do you think? Is there any way that the Chimu, who are due for a rebellion, would join L'Atlantide? (hint hint) Thank you,             Ancapflag.svg   I find your lack of faith disturbing.  07:15, October 31, 2013 (UTC)


Hey Scan, Rex is blackmailing me into making Athamos unite with L'Atlantide and Rex + France is probably going to declare war on me, and he is claiming that you'd support him and I am wondering whether or not you would support him or not. Thanks, Airlinesguy (talk) 09:10, October 31, 2013 (UTC)

Okay thanks, I guess I've got to let some stuff of mine free too, lol. Airlinesguy (talk) 14:12, November 1, 2013 (UTC)

What do you mean about two new vassals on your event?--Collie Kaltenbrunner (talk) 15:34, November 4, 2013 (UTC)

Still, that part of the event about the Foixans and the Montpellierians doesn't make sense.The Occitans, in this time line, would have never considered themselves French, considering that every time that the French state collapsed, the Occitans declared independence.And plus, considering the increasing centralization of the French state, i wouldn't put past them to try to suppress Occitan in their lands like they do in OTL.For a slightly better explanation: Occitania .--Collie Kaltenbrunner (talk) 18:16, November 4, 2013 (UTC)

Partition of Antilla. Meet me on chat. The Hurian Database Wiki Vivaporius: "I don't need a slogan" 22:18, November 7, 2013 (UTC)

Scan, meet me on chat. The Hurian Database Wiki Vivaporius: "I don't need a slogan" 19:10, November 8, 2013 (UTC)

Scan, one of your puppets' cities was nominated to host the Olympic Games. I would appreciate if those nations were to join the Olympics as participants anytime soon.--Collie Kaltenbrunner (talk) 18:12, November 14, 2013 (UTC)

Hey scan - love your equalist collapse and had some questions since it effects me in a few ways. One, the Apostolic Prime Bishop is resident in Wales - should I get him out or make him a besieged "Prisoner of Avalon"? (which at this point I assume is more like the Vatican than an actual city).

Also my "Pure Science" states are obviously going to seize on this development and move into the Equalist orbit - although the ideologies are slightly different - and I'm sure the Apache Pure Science state will go that way as well. Should we coordinate this?

Commandante Lemming (talk) 15:48, November 18, 2013 (UTC)

Okay, great, thanks! Airlinesguy (talk) 09:30, November 19, 2013 (UTC)

OK well that makes the Wales issue easier.

As for the Pure Science movement, I don't have any firm ideas on collaboration as I didn't know the UER was going to emerge so soon. Pure Science ideology is totalitarian, atheist, anti-royalist, and worshipful of science - so they have a lot of common with the Equalists and are going to be elated at the "glorious revolution" in Italia. However, they also tend to be capitalist, and instead of being proletarian they are elitist and concentrate power among the educated while dismissing the proletariat as "rabble prone to religion". However, seeing as they practically worship ancient Greco-Roman thinkers as gods, they would probably value leadership from the lands of their idols.

Off hand - my two Pure Science states (Praetorate of Pure Science on OTL Gough Island and Pratorate of Eternal Matter on OTL. St. Helena) might make nice naval bases for the UER to project power in the South Atlantic. Also, if you were to choose to fund and arm those two tiny states, it might change the balance of power in the region, disrupt the main Selk'nam state, and if you really wanted to we could cause a lot of problems for capitalist trade routes in the Atlantic (say, maybe cutting off trade from Neu Berlin and Brazil to the East). My states have almost no land area but are positioned to control a lot of sea space in the middle of the Atlantic. Also, while I don't think they are fully compatible, I think we could have some good ideological exhange amoung Equalist and Pure Science ideologues - you could steer my guys more left, while my thinkers could help you build a mythology based on science and the historical Greco-Roman tradition (which would make a lot of scence seeing as you are Italian and working with the Greeks). Maybe my first Praetor Icarus could be declared one of "the fathers of Equalism" or something even though he was a rank capitalist :-)

Commandante Lemming (talk) 15:46, November 19, 2013 (UTC)

Yeah sure. But, is Cyrenaica becoming mine or yours and also what will happen RE: Levantines and stuff? I'm okay with giving Tamania up, but can it be self governing? Like I guess Agydea? A random example I know :X But I hope you get my point. Same with Cyrenaica? I always wanted to unite it with Tripolitania but never got the chance. Other than that I don't care. Also has the Suez Canal been built, because if it hasn't we should and we should limit it to only UER nations. Airlinesguy (talk) 22:44, November 20, 2013 (UTC)

Okay thanks! Airlinesguy (talk) 22:44, November 20, 2013 (UTC)

As you are aware. Germany is not an Eqaulist nation, however we ARE socialist. I was interested in trying to bring a more viable Eqaulist government to Germany, the issue is Germans love the monarchy, they are humble, non-extravagant and give up almost three quarters of their net worth to the poor and less fortunate. They are adored. Is it possible to bring an Eqaulist government into play, but still retain the monarchy? And if I ultimately choose not to go Eqaulist, May Germany still have the privilege of using the Suez Canal? I noticed airlines wanted it to be Eqaulist only. ( in case you were not aware, Germany was the only government in Europe that voted to officially recognise the UER besides Russia). Trust Me, I'm The Doctor (talk) 03:12, December 5, 2013 (UTC)

That seems to work well. we a going to soon replace our prime Minister with a new position simply called "Chancellor" or his full title, the High Chancellor of the Democratic Commonwealths of Germany. (i changed the name to democratic, everyone knows in otl a nation with democratic tagged to its name generally means its socialist/communist. We are in the transistion process. we are trying to be different in the fact we strive to be the first equalist nation not born of rebellion, but the democratic process.Trust Me, I'm The Doctor (talk) 06:07, December 9, 2013 (UTC)

PMII Colony Swap

Hey Scan. I just wanted to know if you wanted that little outpost I have in Texas. I can give it you, but only if I get something roughly the same size in return.

            Great Seal of the United States (obverse).svg    SCRAWLAND INVICTUS || REX IMPERATOR   22:50, December 10, 2013 (UTC)

Lolkk, I'll just wait for these two months then. :D

            Great Seal of the United States (obverse).svg    SCRAWLAND INVICTUS || REX IMPERATOR   00:01, December 12, 2013 (UTC)

Sci-Fi Empire Fact Sheet Info

I know I'm probably bothering you, but I'm working on something, and was quite interested in getting some info from you regarding what name of empire you create if you could. I've set up a little list for you that I'd like for you to fill out if you had the time.

  • Empire name: <Official name and common name> <Separate names with "/">
  • Founding year: <2180-2270> <Current year is 3261 AD>
  • Capital (City, World):
  • Nation symbol: <Example: A silver sword, blade upturned, against a golden sunburst on a red disc.>
  • Total (Inhabited) Systems: <100-450>
  • Estimated population: <100 billion-1 trillion>
  • Government:
  • Current leader: <Title> <Name>
  • Currency: 
  • Military name:
  • Military size:
  • Official language(s):
  • Other language(s):
  • Preferred empire color:
  • How is the leader chosen?:
  • How unified is the country?:
  • How tolerant are the people?:
  • What kind of economy is there?:
  • How does the army work?:
  • What's the literacy level?:
  • What's the overall technology?: <Low-tech or high-tech>
  • What do the people worship or invoke?: <Leave blank if none>
  • What's the most admired class?:
  • What's the lowest class?:
  • How are women treated?:
  • What is the attitude toward sex?:
  • What's the most pressing social/political problem?:
  • Background info on empire:

Thank you for your cooperation. The Hurian Database Wiki Vivaporius: "I don't need a slogan" 03:50, December 14, 2013 (UTC)


Good day, Scan. I do not know when or if you will read this, but if you do, I will assume you are aware of my situation in PMII. I shall engage in the time-honored tradition of asking a nation more powerful than myself for aid. In the event of our victory, I shall let you claim any spoils you want outside Antillia as long as it does not conflict with our percentage and/or any other leaders. I will try to give Ethiopian Australia to you if the algorithm shall permit it.

            Great Seal of the United States (obverse).svg    SCRAWLAND INVICTUS || REX IMPERATOR   22:12, December 20, 2013 (UTC)

About the rules for PMIII; They are good.Can i add some more things to it?--Collie Kaltenbrunner (talk) 20:28, December 25, 2013 (UTC)

But, anyway, how is that map going to work? because we can't use the present-day subdivisions for that map.--Collie Kaltenbrunner (talk) 14:15, December 26, 2013 (UTC)

But there are going to be many countries whose borders can't be recreated using today's subdivisions.for example: you can't use today's subdivisions to recreate Brabant's borders.or Sancerre's.or Foix's.and there is also the issue of how colonial expansion is going to be represented.--Collie Kaltenbrunner (talk) 11:43, December 29, 2013 (UTC)

Can we be in an alliance?

DatStar (talk) 07:13, December 31, 2013 (UTC)

I don't exactly know.There are still about half of the rules section that still isn't ready, and the map as it stands contains only Europe.What do you got in regards to those two?--Collie Kaltenbrunner (talk) 13:58, January 1, 2014 (UTC)

P.S - how do you do these maps with names?--Collie Kaltenbrunner (talk) 14:03, January 1, 2014 (UTC)

I think that waiting too long to start won't be good, so i think it would be better if you sent me what you have done.Ah, and, is it possible to do the map with MS Paint?--Collie Kaltenbrunner (talk) 17:36, January 1, 2014 (UTC)

PM3 China

Hey Scan,

Since PM3 is nearly upon us and you have Ming China, I wanted to get in contact since we are going to be neighbors and didn't do a lot together in PM2. I'm going to be playing as "Nivkhia " - a power which is going to rise in the OTLKhabarovsk area in the Russian Far East. It was my hope to essentially have my little band of Nivkhs get a technological jump-start due to interaction with their Chinese neighbors and then build a large Asian state in Eastern Siberia (preventing the Russians from reaching the Pacific and shifting the balance of power in the region). Let me know if this interests you - and also if I need to say out of your way on anything important. My nation's early history will require me to be friends with China, so I guess I need to see if China wants to be friends. Commandante Lemming (talk) 17:33, January 2, 2014 (UTC)

I have no interest in Manchuria or Mongolia, I have too much work to do expanding Northward to bother with any of those places. My primary goal is going to be securing the Sea of Okhotsk before the Russians get there, so I will have my hands full with that (basically I'm building an "Anti-Russia" that will rapidly expand into Siberia from the East in the same way the Russians did it OTL  - with an eventual uncomfortable meeting with the actual Russians - hopefully forcing Russia to unleash it's expansionist fervor on EUROPE rather than North Asia). 

As for Japan, the level to which I cooperate in anything aganst them is going to be heavily dependent on how much Kogasa is involved in that nation. I'm fine gaming against Japan but Kogasa gave me my first start in PM2 (Selk'nam's civilization was all thanks to Japan) so I'm not going to antogonize too much. That said, my earliest priority in the game is going to be securing Sakhalin Island (my Nivkhs are the native population in the North of the island, in addition to the Kabarovsk coast of the mainland). Hence, I'm going to need an early alliance with (or conquest of) the Sakhalin Ainu people to my South, and it would be very logical for me to take in the Hokkaido Ainu as well. I've already been thinking about going after Hokkaido, so we can talk there. 

I think the Easternized world is a strong possibility this game. With you in China, Imp in India, me in Nivkhia, Kogasa in Japan - and feudal Europe tearing itself to pieces - we've loaded the deck in Asia's favor. 

Commandante Lemming (talk) 18:29, January 2, 2014 (UTC)

Even better - for some reason I thought Imp was staying in India but I haven't checked the signups in a while. And if Kogasa is out then yeah, hit Japan as hard as you want. But If you end up holding Honshu, I want Hokkaido...all of it. Actually I've debated just playing as the Hokkaido Ainu rather than the Nivkhs, but I think I will stick with my original plan for now - it gives me a mainland capital.

Commandante Lemming (talk) 18:39, January 2, 2014 (UTC) 

Pleasure doing business with you - your generosity will be remembered and lauded by generations upon generations of fictional Nivkhs :-) Commandante Lemming (talk) 18:50, January 2, 2014 (UTC)

Okay.--Collie Kaltenbrunner (talk) 07:18, January 17, 2014 (UTC)

Can you send me a draft map of what the nation size would be? Hailstormer (talk) 18:30, January 17, 2014 (UTC)

Scan, you are currently behind your own schedule.You said that things would be complete by the 20th, and this is 23rd already.And you have no sign of activity since 18 of January.--Collie Kaltenbrunner (talk) 14:29, January 23, 2014 (UTC)

Would you be willing to let me have 25px? I know that is a sharp increase from your first estimate, I think it is fair, especially in comparison to what I first thought I had. I would also like to start off in the Otago Peninsula if possible. Also, what expansion rate would I be looking at? - Hailstormer (talk) 21:57, January 23, 2014 (UTC)

Why would it possibly be smaller on the Otago Peninsula? Hailstormer (talk) 17:06, January 24, 2014 (UTC)

Can you come on chat please? I wish to discuss a potential nation change. -- Hailstormer (talk) 03:35, January 30, 2014 (UTC)

You want in?

So I got the control of the ANZC. You want joint control with me? We can speed up the development of the timeline and get it moving again... :o 1.png Imp (Say Hi?!) 18:06, January 31, 2014 (UTC)

I have already discussed my future borders with Lemming, and it is nothing like what you are describing. I am giving up around two thirds of my current land to ensure the survival of a third, as I understand it is impossible to hold onto everything. Look at the mod event in 1402 and you will see where you are mistaken, as stable civilizations are forming out of my lands, not just single settlements. What you are describing is what I would have if I were a tribe, rather than a civilization, which I am. -- Hailstormer (talk) 15:13, February 3, 2014 (UTC)

Scan  - Hail should definitely have more than one mound settlement. There were organized chiefdoms and he should have like the bottom third of modern Illinois and Indiana (I would guess a rough triangle between Cahokia, Angel Mounds, and the Kincaid Site). At the very least he should get all three of those sites and be allowed to play as a civilization rather than a tribe. The civlization is crumbling but it is not done. I'm already mod-building a containment emprie to his south and the Mississipian storyline has already been approved on the mod page. Hail is merely doing exactly what we were going to do ourselves.  Commandante Lemming (talk) 15:43, February 3, 2014 (UTC)

Scan, Yunnan changed btw. I have written up some of the history of the nation post 2002 now. Care to ahve a look at the mapge as well as the talkpage before I move any furthur with this? 1.png Imp (Say Hi?!) 14:25, February 8, 2014 (UTC)


I knew that, and I had planned to play as Danibaan, expand influence the surrounding states, and eventually annex them. Am I doing something wrong, or was it just a reminder? Cour (talk) 22:19, February 3, 2014 (UTC)

Ah, okay. Thank you, sir. Cour (talk) 22:10, February 4, 2014 (UTC)
Since we're having this conversation, let me bounce something off of you. It is my intention to eventually unite the Zapotec peoples. I was aiming to do it in about 30-40 years. Do you think this is a plausible amount of time, since we are the same culture and the expansion doesn't have to be by way of war? Cour (talk) 22:21, February 4, 2014 (UTC)

No worries and sorry If I'm being hyperactive now that I'm on the mod panel lol (I like the game too much). I'm not an expert either on the Mississipians but it looks like they were sort of proto-Aztec and definitely had organized chiefdoms with decent land areas (I read the Southern one stayed big into 15th century or something). Then it all just evaporated for some reason and the Europeans found the nomadic tribes that replaced them. Anyway - thanks for giving in on this one - it's a pet project to begin with and now I think it's a good opportunity to give Hail a "native state" that isn't bound by tribal regulations (which saves us all any arguments later about what he can or can't do). 

Speaking of little states - thanks for giving my Nivkhs a toehold on Sakahalin! Also, I may spam you with requests in game - seeing as you're the only man nation that the great and not-so-powerful Mangut Nivkhgu will have much contact with until it gets bigger lol

Commandante Lemming (talk) 05:46, February 4, 2014 (UTC)

After discussing with Lemming about various potential boundaries and maps, this is the map that has resulted in my mind. If Lemming has any comments about this map, or would like to see alterations, then I welcome him to comment. But I believe this has filled all the boxes, and stuck within the parameters, of everything we have discussed. -- Hailstormer (talk) 14:23, February 4, 2014 (UTC)

Cahokia Civilisation Borders.png

I'm posting this on both walls for convenience - I personally don't have a huge opinion on the map as frankly our guesses are all conjecture  anyway (we're operating in a historical black hole). I would personally be fine with Scan's proposal of shrinking this by about half and ensuring that Hail get to the junction of the Mississippi and Ohio rivers before exapanding to border both (work along the rivers where possible - they are your lifeline.). HOWEVER, knowing where Hail is going with this storyling, I think he shold keep his lake Michigan coastline. I don't have graphic capability at the moment, but my middle-ground proposal would be to lop off either then entire Easten projection and make the Eastern border a nearly straight line down from the bottom tip of lake Michigan (essentially setting your Eastern border at the Angel Mounds site in Indiana), and maybe take a tiny bit off the Western edge. This would leave a decent size state that preserves your border with the Great Lakes (which I know is the strategic goal). If you want to cut more you could draw a long-but relatively thin state stratching from Cahokia-Kincaid-Angel Mounds up to Lake Michigan - but I think getting rid of either the Western or Eastern projection should suffice. Thoughts? Commandante Lemming (talk) 15:22, February 4, 2014 (UTC)

I am quite happy with the map that you have suggested, but there is one change I would like to push for. The Mississippian Civilisations follow a set of beliefs known as the Southern Cult. Now the reasoning for that entire panhandle was so that I could retain a mound known as Great Serpent Mound in Fort Ancient. It is the largest effigy mound ever created, and as a result is incredibly important to the Cahokia Civilisation, as well as indispensable to the Southern Cult. I think it would be implausible for it to be abandoned, and as a result I think I should be able to keep it in my borders. Now to make up for this increase in land, I am willing to deal with disruption for a further period of time, as well having to deal with any nefarious mod events relating to this panhandle, as long as they don't lead to full blown loss. Here is the map I am suggesting:

Hailstormer Revision.png

PS: I apologise about it being out of my original map, I misread the location of Great Serpent Mound the first time and fixed it as a result. -- Hailstormer (talk) 22:39, February 4, 2014 (UTC)

Well how about I have it in my lands, as shown in my map, but I state explicitly the difficulty I am having holding onto it, and you can throw any mod events relating to it into the game to make it harder for me you want. As I have a plan to stabilize that area, but it will be impossible if I am unable to keep hold of it in the first place. I would greatly appreciate it if you could concede this to me. -- Hailstormer (talk) 16:25, February 5, 2014 (UTC)

PM3 Map

Would you mind adding the changes from this treaty to the map? Ignore the Salzurg area, which wasn't supposed to be colored, but the area in Switzerland, and the changes in Poland area need to be fixed. Mscoree (talk) 14:31, February 6, 2014 (UTC)

Yes, Salzburg and Gorizia were colored by mistake, but Austria owns the areas on this map east of Zurich and Glarus, and the ones south of Livinen, meaning that all grey areas in that region, St. Gallen, Appenzell, Werdenberg, and Sax-Forsteck all belong to Austria. I'm not sure how they are represented on the map, but they should be owned by Austria so that Austria borders the Swiss to the west. Mscoree (talk) 14:56, February 6, 2014 (UTC)

No it's okay. I understand what you are saying now. I just wanted to make sure my borders were clear. As long as it is understood that I own that land I'm sure it will be fine. Thanks for your help. Mscoree (talk) 15:16, February 6, 2014 (UTC)

Can you come on chat please? There is something I would like to discuss. Thanks in advance. -- Hailstormer (talk) 15:00, February 6, 2014 (UTC)

PMIII island discrepancies

Hey good work on the map but i colonized the Canaries not Porta which is relatively close to those islands. if you could just move the expansion in the canaries to the actual islands on the next map id much appreciate it The Wings of Freedom #FP Wings of freedom 2.png (Talk to Me)

Hey Scan, Dean has made an edit to the maps and added some sort of glaze to everything, can you please revert the map back to your one, and ask Dean the edits he would like you to make. -- Hailstormer (talk) 02:17, February 8, 2014 (UTC)

1405-1410 Expansion.png

Here is a map detailing my expansion up until the year 1410. Thought it would be helpful. -- Hailstormer (talk) 17:41, February 9, 2014 (UTC)

Hey sorry to bother but could you respond to my PM3 request - I requested multiple tools of statecraft at once so I don't have to bother your again for a while. Commandante Lemming (talk) 22:03, February 10, 2014 (UTC)

Morocco Algo

Oh for the love of god. Seriously i asked like 7 mods to check it and make sure everything was sound and now a week later AFTER I ASKED its being caught. I wouldnt be mad if this was caught like 1 or 2 days after but Seriously im absolutely livid. Im not blaming this all on your but Seriously come come. I have to catch 70% of the BS in posts cause every mod is too damn worried about there nation and whatnot. I cant even bother mods to fix something without having to do it like 6 times. Specifically the Algo which i asked multiple mods to cross check, do, fix, etc etc. Can we please be more prompt about this stuff instead of being informed 6 years after i already started posting as the vassals. This isnt directly solely at you but seriously with 13 mods id figure someone shouldve caught that mistake like 100% sooner. The Wings of Freedom #FP Wings of freedom 2.png (Talk to Me)

Im a Fully time uni student, in a Fraternity, job hunting, etc etc same as you. I totally understand. Delegate a bit more to certain people i guess. Im just extremely fed up with mods who are to focused on their own countries first instead of their mod responsibilities (which they asked for and were voted in for.)

The Wings of Freedom #FP Wings of freedom 2.png (Talk to Me)

Scan have you been reading my turns? I have managed to stabilise my civilization and reverse the decline, I'm currently growing. Also I got a positive mod event giving me an extra 5,000km squared each turn, which would cover all five years of expansion you gave me alone. Can you please add the proper expansion now? -- Hailstormer (talk) 19:54, February 13, 2014 (UTC)

Actually it is 10,000km squared thanks to the most recent mod event. So I should be getting 20,000km squared of expansion per turn. So your map is laughably inaccurate. -- Hailstormer (talk) 20:33, February 13, 2014 (UTC)

I have already reached the eastern edge of the fragmented lands. So that rate of expansion should stay normal as a result. -- Hailstormer (talk) 15:12, February 14, 2014 (UTC)

can you please come on chat -Nova 04:27, February 19, 2014 (UTC)

nova won't negotiate

The only part of the treaty I don't like is the part where maldives and jaffna become independent, I was going to leave maldives independent anyhow but nova won't even negotiate he keeps saying that he wants all or nothing or that he wants all my vassals and jaffna and for me to not expand for 10 yrs and still pay tribute. Also he is going to just annex everything now because he can't get what he wants. Anything you can do? Jbwncster (talk) 06:19, February 20, 2014 (UTC)

Nova continues to not listen to what you have said about making the treaty terms hold. Here is the link to the picture she added that had Timurid control of Vijayanagar after the war. She has continued to take more and more. Please, end this madness. Eiplec - ಠ_ಠ (talk) 15:10, February 20, 2014 (UTC)

I have logs proving it is JBW not negotiating. He wouldnt sign the treaty. In war when someone doesnt sign a treaty, the winning side continues to crush them, and demands harsher terms. What do you expect? No one cared until JBW threw a fit and tried to impeach me. -Nova 15:58, February 20, 2014 (UTC)

You are being one sided and demanding, you told me that you'll just take land if I don't sign over land to you how is that negotiating? Jbwncster (talk) 16:00, February 20, 2014 (UTC)

I crushed you in the aglo. The original deal had you paying tribute for gods sake. You lost nothing and refused to sign. So i had to take land, not a whole lot. But still no signature. I take more, still so sig. So i said fine, your mine. -Nova 16:05, February 20, 2014 (UTC)

Dean won't even listen to you scan and keeps erasing my posts on PMIII and also keeps putting my nations under him and won't even agree to the terms you posted. Jbwncster (talk) 17:48, February 20, 2014 (UTC)

Because you signed it less than an hour ago and refused to sign it earlier. Your trying to undermine me and all im demanding is youd ont expand for 10 years and give up venad as a vassal. That seems pretty damn fair. -Nova 18:31, February 20, 2014 (UTC)

PMIII 1420 Map

This map covers my expansion from 1415 to 1420. I have counted out the pixels within reason to make sure that I am not over what I am rightfully due, and so expect this map to be replicated into the game map. I have also taken account of the half rates within the fragmented lands. I have been unhappy with the past maps as I believe my expansion in my turns has both been underrepresented and misinterpreted, as it is not as expansive as my expansion rates should grant me, as well as being in areas I have no wish to expand into. I hope you will now respect my wishes. Thanks in advance. -- Hailstormer (talk) 12:57, February 20, 2014 (UTC)

Cahokian Lands For 1420.png

PS: If you are curious about the middle state, it is the Etowah Civilisation, a vassal of Cahokia I have set up over the past decade out of fragmented lands.

PMIII Response

Not sure if you noticed my post in 1420 but it affects both Ming and Korea so please read it.  SupremeSensualSamrāṭSky

Map Issue

I control Saxony, Thuringia, Anhalt, and Meissen now, along with Nassau, if you could add that to the map. I'm Hesse btw. I'd also like a teal color. Blocky858 (talk) 12:30, February 23, 2014 (UTC)

PMIII 1425 Map

Cahokian Lands For 1425.png

Hey Scan. This map covers my expansion from 1420 to 1425. I have counted the pixels once again to make sure that I am not over what I am rightfully due. In this case I have even decided to go below my maximum capabilities, to keep with plausibility, and following your reaction to my last map. So I expect this map to be replicated into the game map with no issues. I have also taken account of the half rates within the fragmented lands as usual. Thanks in advance. -- Hailstormer (talk) 14:14, February 25, 2014 (UTC)

Can you come on chat please? -- Hailstormer (talk) 13:17, February 27, 2014 (UTC)

About PM3

Since you are Ming China could you take over my nation (Ashikaga state Japan) since I want to be a different nation in pm3 since I never have anyrhing to write about in pm3. - Scarlet (A.K.A Shadow)


On the Japan talk page for Principia Moderni III, it says that the Shogun controls "the state of Toki (...) Also the state of Shiba has been taken over" as well as the home state of Ashikaga. Does this mean I can add them as my vassals on the country list?

Ozymandias2 (talk) 14:31, March 15, 2014 (UTC)

Ah... Any chance of updating the nation list to show which states currently exist? Ozymandias2 (talk) 07:34, March 17, 2014 (UTC)

You said on the map issues page that China controls the Hosokawa lands... when did this happen? Sorry if I missed something.Ozymandias2 (talk) 11:01, April 18, 2014 (UTC)

PMIII Asian Alliance

Hi Scan, is there any chance of engineering closer ties between the Ashikaga and China? I'm willing to do some kind of compromise, just your earlier suggestion of handing power to the Emperor was a bit drastic. It seems to me that we should aim for a strong and united Eastern Asia, so that we are in a position to compete against the Europeans. Whilst technologically behind Europe, an Asian alliance, possibly with the Koryak Confederacy could be strong enough to eventually centralise power in Asia rather than the West. Ozymandias2 (talk) 14:22, March 23, 2014 (UTC)

I've just recognised Chinese claims to Kyushu and Shikoku, but not Osaka due to its position on the main island. I see your point regarding the Koryak C. and will wait until they are more of a significant power to recognise them. BTW, what exactly are Chinese claims on Kyushu and Shikoku? There are numerous clans-there's the Kono on Shikoku, and the Shoni, Otomo, Shimazu and Kikuchi on Kyushu island. Ozymandias2 (talk) 07:57, March 24, 2014 (UTC)


Hey, I was planning a small international incident in China, and was wondering if you might allow me to mention Guangxi in this. It would not have much of a role, just sending supplies to the Gansuan Insurgency following the PRC annexation of Gansu.

            Centriflag.jpeg   Every Silver Lining has it's cloud- And HERE I AM!  18:53, March 29, 2014 (UTC)

Failing that, may I adopt Guangxi?

Also, on a side note, I am considering returning to PM3. I do truly apologize for my earlier actions.

If you do leave (and I hope you do not) may I take China?

If you do not, then can I take Ayuttuhya? I know you've been influencing it over the last few years...

            Centriflag.jpeg   Every Silver Lining has it's cloud- And HERE I AM!  23:53, March 31, 2014 (UTC)

Thank you indeed!

            Centriflag.jpeg   Every Silver Lining has it's cloud- And HERE I AM!  20:34, April 1, 2014 (UTC)

Actually, I've chosen to just go as Ayutthaya. I do hope that you will stay, and that we can have good relations!

            Centriflag.jpeg   Every Silver Lining has it's cloud- And HERE I AM!  21:14, April 1, 2014 (UTC)

Could I Take Over As Ming China For You

I need a new nation to play as in PM3 anyway. Playing as a world power would give me experience and confidence for me. If you need to reach me talk to me on my talk page - Scarlet 

Chat need

Hey Scan, could you tell me when would be the best time you could come on chat tomorrow (tuesday). I need to discuss something with you. (UTC time please) SkyGreen24 18:27, March 31, 2014 (UTC)

RE:Chat stuffs

It would literally be under 3 minutes of your time. 

I'll be there SkyGreen24 15:13, April 1, 2014 (UTC)

Mughal-Chinese Alliance

During Nova's short China play, an alliance was created between China and the Mughal Empire. Feud told me to ask you if the alliance should be rendered invalid or not.

SkyGreen24 23:16, April 18, 2014 (UTC)


Hey, are you still active on PM3?

        Centriflag.jpeg   Tonight the foxes will hunt the hounds!  22:21, May 22, 2014 (UTC)

Scan, you've been invaded. Fed and I have managed to argue that it's implausible, but you are making yourself an easy target with your inactivity.

        Centriflag.jpeg   Tonight the foxes will hunt the hounds!  23:03, May 27, 2014 (UTC)

Request to join Apocalypse: 2012

I have some new ideas for the South East Asia region, especially in the Philippines article.  It has not been active lately and I want to propose that the country would take back the Scarbourough Shoal with American aid. Gillan1220 (talk) 03:51, October 13, 2015 (UTC)

Apocalypse: 2012 

Hi Scandiator, I wanna contribuite in this timeline on the Italian Republic, with Turin don't hitted it can be the new capital of a republic in northern Italy, it can be comparted all north Italy and Tuscany, Umbria and Marche. It will be have also good relations with the Mediterrean Republic and with other Italian nation in the peninsula. Col. James Hsu (talk) 09/07/2016


hi I wanted to know if you were still working on your Saudi Arabia page for 1983 Doomsday, and if not if I could adpot it.

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