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No problem. Had the urge to do it. Glad you don't oppose.
I can relate to this. I too have been going through hard times. All in all, please don't feel pressured over this. Work when you feel ready and have fun, that's what all of this is about. A little bit of organized insanity in an otherwise insane world. ;P
I'm the same way. You'd be surprised how efficient you can think with a cleared mind. Once again... organized insanity. What I usually do is write out all of my ideas in a sandbox and gradually work on them until they are ready for an article. I'd definitely recommend this if you'd like to get your ideas worked out.
Surprisingly, I too have been pondering what the Orthodox Church would be like for this timeline. What I've been working on would involve Alaska no longer being part of the Russian Orthodox Church and [instead] creating their own national church (virtually on par with OTL's Orthodox Church in America). The only differences I'm thinking of is that the OCA would be [effectively] an Alaskan-dominated organization (instead of American) and that it's autocephalous status is to be recognized by all of the heads of Orthodoxy (when in OTL only Russia does).
This "Alaskan Orthodox Church" would still be dominated by Slavic traditions, but would likely incorporate Greek and other traditions as a way to appease all Alaskan Orthodox Christians (not just the Slavs). This would also be a response to Alaska being a melting pot of nationalities. Also given Alaska's place as the only Orthodox nation in the New World, I'm also considering that the Alaskan church may attempt to establish itself as the formal body for all of the Americas (if not the entire New World). Something comparable to the Patriarchates of Alexandria, which claims all of Africa.
Culturally and demographically speaking, I'd suspect that Alaska would be fairly religious to this day (no different than their neighbors). I'd actually suspect that Alaskans would become more religious during the Cold War (especially as a big "f#ck you" to the Soviets), with most Alaskans becoming more secular by today.
- I really do apologize, but I'm not much of a computer expert (especially in regards to browsers). But from my own experiences, it's very likely your data is gone. I wish there was more I could do. If it makes you feel any better, this pretty much happens to everybody. I could tell you all the times this has happened to me, including the loss of hours of hard work due to a power outage. All I can say is to rewrite your story. Who knows, it might turn out better than your original. -- NuclearVacuum 20:21, March 20, 2016 (UTC)
(I was in the middle of writing this when you messaged me back. Do forgive me.)
Thank you so much for your input. For future reference, please don't actually right out your proposed page on the talk page (as it makes the talk page useless). Just a heads up, no harm done.
That being said, I'm very happy at the lever of detail you have done. However, some of it feels too optimistic. It should be noted that the Russian Empire never viewed the Ukrainians as a separate ethnic group. They were viewed as ethically Russian, with the Ukrainian language simply being a dialect of Russian (the same was true for Belarusians). This only changed following World War II when those like Vladimir Lenin encourage ethnic diversity (Lenin even went as far to say the Cossacks were Ukrainian). All in all, I don't see how anything would be that different for Ukraine in this timeline.
Ironically, it was because of the Russian treatment of the Ukrainians that encouraged them to migrate and settle elsewhere. It wasn't until the 1890s that many Ukrainians left Russia (and Austria) to resettle in Canada. Ukrainians currently make up the 9th largest group in Canada, and it is because of this wave that I feel confident that Ukrainians would be the single largest group in Alaska (ATL). Up until the 1890s, I don't think we'd see as large of a Ukrainian wave going into Alaska. So once again, I think we'd see a similar pattern happen here as in OTL).
Interestingly, I have been debating how the Cossacks could (or would) develop Alaska. It's very likely that they'd settle in North America and set up their own Hosts on the continent. I'm very interested to see if they would indeed develop a cowboy-esque culture in Alaska.
I seriously hope I have no upset you because of this. I absolutely don't wish to discourage your work. You have done an excellent job here and I can't wait to see what you have next.
I also do apologize for outright deleting you work. I did not do this out of disrespect, but I can understand if you see it that way. I will be more than happy to recreate and move your page. I will do that once I upload this particular message. (I will move it here). Once again, I do apologize and I do hope I have not upset your or angered you in any way. -- NuclearVacuum 02:34, April 9, 2016 (UTC)
- Yeah... Russian history can be weird at times. You can see why I like it. XP
- Not to say that there wouldn't be differences, I just don't see anything major diverging here. Everything from the Crimean War to the Pale of Settlement would still happen here.
- Ironically, a large chunk of the Ukrainians that left for Canada were actually from Austria-Hungary. One possibility for Ukraine (though it would be something being developed today rather than a century ago) could be to have these highly Ukrainian portions of the nation begin to dominate the newly independent Ukrainian state. Something akin to what is (kinda) happening today, but with two decades of development already taking place (with Russia annexing Novorossiya in the 1990s).
- I have no doubt that Ukrainians would leave and settle in Russian America prior to the 1890s. All I meant is that they wouldn't start coming over in waves until then. Similar to how Italians came to the New World for centuries, but only came in waves during the late 1800s.
- I don't see why your article can't be modified. Though I would prefer doing more reading on the matter before anything becomes canon.
- Lol, those Cossack stories sound very interesting. Given that the cowboy personification would only exist in this timeline as the Mexican Vaqueros, I could see Cossacks going and becoming a part of this life style in both Alaska and Mexico.
- You are more than welcome to start your articles. But as always, please keep them in a sandbox or a proposed article until they can be canonized.
- Yes. I'm very exited that Yankee wishes to work here as well. You are correct that the United States would loose much of its identity from OTL, but I wouldn't worry to much about that. Hollywood didn't make America... America made Hollywood (if you know what I mean). Hollywood (as we know it) only exists because Thomas Edison monopolized the film industry in New York, so cinema moved to get away from Edison. They would easily go to Florida or the like and achieve the same results. The same can be said for the vast majority of what makes the US the US. All in all, nothing to loose any sleep over (at least that what I tell myself).
- I'm already ahead of your on immigration. The vast majority of Slavs and Eastern Europeans would settle in Alaska. Virtually all Armenian and Greek Americans/Canadians (OTL) would be Alaskans (ATL). You can see how far I've gone here.
- Yep, Mexico would be a more stable nation. But much like you, I haven't gotten around to getting into more detail. -- NuclearVacuum 17:58, April 9, 2016 (UTC)
You are more than welcome to use my maps as bases. If you'd like, I'd be more than happy to send you the raw vector maps I have. I look forward to seeing what you have in mind. -- NuclearVacuum 18:12, May 4, 2016 (UTC)
Thank you so much for your thoughtful message. This guys has been harassing me and this site for the past month now, so this really means a lot to hear. Yes, I'm happy that we can revert any vandalism with ease, so all this guy is doing is being irritating.
Glad you like GT's suggestions. I haven't given much thought into Central Asia (as of yet), though it wouldn't surprise me to see an expat community living across Alaska.
No need to worry. Just please try not to edit articles which are not yours. Otherwise, no hard feelings.
Very interesting map proposal. I will need to look into this at some point.
As for you acquiring my maps, I would be more than happy (if not honored) to share them. I will be including a link to my statistical map of Alaska (i.e., governorate-based). You will require Inkscape or another vector program, though it should be easy to understand once you get on. Just be aware that this file includes locked layers (which can be unlocked easily). If you need any help, I'm here if you need it.
If this wasn't the map you requested, let me know and I can have other ready to download upon request. I wish you luck on your map-making.
Yeah. I'm not a sports fan, so it has been a WIP to get anything done that is sports-related. Slowly but surely, this timeline is becoming more lively. Glad you are enjoying it.
I never looked too deeply into it, but I guess North America would be divided into four cultural zones. I've focused more on getting Alaska workable to realize what I have actually created. I want to say "Frankenstein," but I mean it in a good way. Ironically, I do believe Alaskans would be well off in being taught both English and Spanish. Now I'm tempted to see a "Dora the Explorer" show to teach Russian to American children. I could also see my alternate self being more happy that Russian would likely be a language course in High School (I took French).
Yep, the Brits and the Russkies would be more at each other's throats. As of late, I've been toying around with a short-lived Alaskan front during the Crimean War, whereby France and the UK attempt to cripple Russia in the Americas. Similar to their attempt to "capture" Kamchatka (OTL), this would end in failure for the British. Though they wouldn't have gone further than OTL (aside from more aid), I could possibly see the US (especially publicly) almost joining the war to defend Russian America. Thankfully, this wouldn't happen. XP
- Glad I could help. Your map looks great. Though I must ask (because I'm anal), what program did you use to edit your map? -- NuclearVacuum 19:35, August 22, 2016 (UTC)
Не за что
Thank you for your kind message.
As of now, I have no intention of leaving. Instead, I'm trying to take a mental break and reevaluate my admin duties here (which I intend to open discussions on in the future). But for now, I'm still here. -- NuclearVacuum 01:42, October 13, 2016 (UTC)
Sorry for the delayed response.
Actually, I am still working on Parallel Brazil, I just did not have much time to do so, I'm a studant. But I will come back soon. Template:JP1996 11:20, December 09, 2016 (UTC)
Hi, I'm Wolves, one of the admins of the wiki. I wanted to discuss with you how you currently are viewed in the community.
People really like you, and think you should join our larger community. This includes chat. You're productive, nice and a fresh change to what we had until now.
I meant like joining in the chat and pushing for timelines and stuff. I like your Eastern pirates thing and would definitely want to work on it. Deadly State of Mind (talk) 01:11, January 15, 2017 (UTC)
What I meant by pushing for timelines is to stir the populace for more content. Currently, we have very little good content being created. We need it. People really like your stuff, and you would help us very much. By joining the chat, I really meant to talk with us more. We don't use talk pages as much as we used to anymore, and the chat is much handier. The mods and stuff are chosen in another way. I'd like to see how Europeans could possibly have influence on sea dragons, by sending buccaneers, like in the Carribean. Deadly State of Mind (talk) 01:28, January 15, 2017 (UTC)
You are most welcome.
- The reason I haven't canonized the Cossack article [yet] is because I haven't double checked it. I'm also debating whether or not they would be considered a separate ethnic group (on par with Russians and Ukrainians) or whether they are just a "subgroup" (akin to Cajuns and Huguenots within the French communities). I'm moving towards the latter, but I could see either scenario develop here (if played correctly). So I will leave it as a proposal for now, but it will be canonized ASAP.
- In comparison to the Buddhism article... I mostly wanted to learn as much as I could before I felt comfortable canonizing it. Though the article needs some cleaning here and there, it is more than overdue to become canon. I also plan on getting more input from you on the article (in relation to personal choices you've made in the article). Nothing bad, rather I'm being the curious sponge that wants to get as much context as possible (if you get my drift).
- As for me, I've been doing as fine as I can be (given everything going on). Mostly cleaning up articles. How about yourself? Been taking a break for a while? -- NuclearVacuum 04:18, February 5, 2017 (UTC)
Glad to hear it.
More or less in regards to the Cossacks. Much like OTL, it's rather had to pin them down as being one or the other (though I'm open to both). Now that you mention it, I do believe they would push for recognition within Alaska (as they are trying to do in Russia).
I guess the biggest question I have is: what is your reasoning for having a distinctive branch of Buddhism develop in Alaska (where no such example exists OTL [as far as I'm aware]). Very curious as to your state of mind.
Flag Scandinavian Union
Hello, If you are interested I think I recovered the originally flag made for the Scandinavian Union.
See here. I remade it on PNG. It is a recreation flag of Kalmar Union but with the colors inverted.
- Glad you like. Do I place it where it should be (templantes, etc...) in replacement of the missing image? --JorgeGG (talk) 17:47, February 24, 2017 (UTC)
Yep, love it! Just added it to the article.
You are most welcome. It was well overdue to have more than just a mere sentence. I do hope I've done justice in summarizing it (let me know if I forgot anything).
In regards to the coat of arms, thank you so much. I'm constantly trying improve it and make it look less "generic" (my focus is more on flags and maps, so CoAs are still new to me).
As for the symbolism, I've been keen on adding the Liberty Cap as a showing of Alaska's Americanness and liberalism. I was originally thinking about having a cap on both heads of the eagle, but it looked too... odd (plus it deviated from the republican symbolism of Russia). The fasces was added to give the cap something to rest on, as well as a symbol of federalism and unity.
- Thank you for your kind words. In all honesty, I have no intention of making any alterations for the foreseeable future. My only concern is to balance the COAs so they look original, Russian, and American. I also forgot to add that the liberty cap was also added to symbolize Alaska's support of republicanism and move away from the Empire and Tsardom (as much as showing solidarity with all of the nations of the Americas).
- I originally had the motto as "to the Future," which simply removed the word north from the beginning. The main reason I removed this was because... it seemed too... ingenuine. While "North to the Future" may work for the State of Alaska, I don't see it working well as a national motto (given the canonical history of this timeline).
- That is why I've spent months doing more research and came across a motto which both kept the original feeling/meaning, but made it sound more genuine and national. That being ad summum, which in Latin translates as "to the top" (more or less). Benny Benson proposed this for the state's motto, and you can see some of the influence it had in determining the current motto of the state. IMHO, it reads more like a national motto that the previous (but to each is own).
- Glad I could make your day. Not too sure how much more information can be added to the Buddhism section that also keeps it a generalization. I suppose we can add more about its formation and modern expansion.
- I do intend to start a "Cultural" section on the main page, which would be divided into subsections about sports, cinema, cuisine, and others. All-in-all, I wish to do more research and exploration before I feel comfortable adding a generalization. I probably will add a sports section within the coming months, as I feel this has been fleshed out enough (headcanon wise). I also have an upcoming "announcement" (if you can even call it that) which may expand the history of animation within Alaska. I also intend (sooner or later) to complete the history section on Alaska's page. Perhaps one or two additional subjections regarding the Cold War and contemporary history.
- I will also be writing about my recent ideas I have for Alaskan dachas on that talk page. -- NuclearVacuum 04:11, June 6, 2017 (UTC)
- Nevermind, I got the answer on my talk page. By the way, thanks for your edits to the United Socialist Republics of America page, I really appreciate it! (JMC Red Dwarf (talk) 06:09, July 27, 2017 (UTC))
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- Sorry to hear that. Stress and anxiety can be a bitch (I know from experience). Do hope you get some time to relax.
- As for me, we've been doing okay (more or less). We just had Irma go right through us, and we're still dealing with the aftershock of it. Nothing destroyed or anyone hurt (at least as far as my family and town go), but still a lot to take in.
Hello, Im new to this wikia, thanks for helping in my article, it even looks like I can speak english! Im a bit lost with this interface so sorry for all the possible errors.
I hope that you find my article useful, it still full of empty nodes, neither i have idea if it will evolve in something coherent.
Ive got stucked, not sure how to sustain the argument for Africa, the Ashanti kingdom, the Portuguese and British colonies there. For how long could be the ashantis at war? would the Portuguese colony of the March occupy the whole South Africa?? Could I stand the divergence point with some other reason than war in east Africa? Madhistorian (talk) 08:05, September 22, 2017 (UTC)
Hello Stepintime. I am happy that you are interested in Knightfall and I will allow you to adopt it, as long as you keep the timeline open or semi-open in nature. Additionally, I would advise you to move away from the "only experienced users can contribute" philosophy, as it led to the timeline's eventual demise (or at least I reckon it did).
Chinese Empire and Other's Proposals
I do know you were trying to help out (I really appreciate it), but please refrain from adding upon other user's proposals. I saw you did this with the article Chinese Empire (Russian America), and I have reverted your additions (for now).
Unless Robby gave you permission that I'm unaware of, I would prefer to give him some leeway to work on his article. Leave any additions you feel would be appropriate for the talk page.
- Thank you and no worries.
- I agree that the article needs a LOT of cleaning before it can even become canon. But since Robby is new to the timeline, I would like to give him a chance to work on it himself. But given the fact that this is his second article he's made to the timeline, and that he appears to have limited attention to the conversations I have brought up with him, I'm not too sure how committed he is.'
- I'll give him a few months to correct and add to his article before I give up and allow outside help. I really love the idea of a "Second Yuan Dynasty" (need a better name) and really wish to see this article grow. Any suggestions you have are more than welcome, just leave them for the discussion already in progress on the article's talk page.
- Once again, thank you for your work. I really appreciate it. -- NuclearVacuum 20:20, October 16, 2017 (UTC)
KraspaceT- New England
Thanks for the edit to my New England page.
I really dont get the point about your message, war already happened in Africa hence the slavery, what is the other option you stated as not being bought?
Thanks for the tip on the music. At this moment I am working in Cromwell the Great, trying to introducing a simil of the French Revolution and earlier industrial revolution (perhaps a more plausible Steampunk).
Hey, how you doing? I've been busy with life, Hope we can speak on Discord.09:57, November 30, 2017 (UTC)
Hello step, I am here to request help on the page "Chinese Civil War (A Free China)" as no matter how much i try, the war infobox, as it comes out in a weird way. Please respond- The History Nerd
Hey step! I was wondering how you can "adopt" alternate timelines from other people that don't seem to be active anymore. Do you need permission from someone? Please respond, as I want to adopt the timeline "The British Ain't Coming" timeline, as the original owner and founded has since been inactive, and in extremely into it. -The History Nerd
Also, thank you for your comment about the 25 yefimok bill I made (overdue). I was trying out some Photoshop tutorials and decided to go all out.
I also see you've noticed my 2017 Census change. You don't need to worry too much about this. I mainly did this for the State Duma article, since elections are to take place this year (nerdy fun). -- NuclearVacuum 20:18, January 25, 2018 (UTC)
- Why are you adding the timeline's category to the files used on there? This is not allowed. These are files associated with OTL (therefore, belonging to everybody). Only files of 100% use for the Russian America timeline are to be included in said categories. Please don't let this happen again. -- NuclearVacuum 23:24, January 25, 2018 (UTC)
- Aside from that, I look forward to seeing what you have in mind for the future. I'm all for adding more ancestral group articles and the like. You are more than welcome to expand the already existing groups I have made (English, Russian, Ukrainian), if you'd like.
- I intend to add a "Culture" section to the main Alaska article in the future. As of right now, I intend to subdivisions for Alaskan cinema and sports, though more would be (obviously) be added in the future.
- Also, I still have notes for the Dacha article that I've been meaning to run by you for months now (too much has been happening to get it done on here), so expect that in the near future.
- I also wanted to mention that as part of my ancestry research, I came across two [famous] "Alaskans" who are Buddhist in OTL. The two are Steve Jobs and Adam Yauch of the Beastie Boys. Wouldn't be a stretch to say that these two would be NWBs in this timeline and helping to spread its cause. Something akin to Tom Cruise... but sane. -- NuclearVacuum 00:08, January 26, 2018 (UTC)
I let the user know on the talk page. I did not formally adopt it, I just fleshed out some nation pages since Georg.or.g and Nuke are deleting very short pages. :-) . Bronwyn the 2nd (talk) 22:33, February 5, 2018 (UTC)
- Sort if, But I was thinking more in
. A completely strange new world and its people. :D --JorgeGG (talk) 00:54, February 8, 2018 (UTC)
O, wonder! / How many goodly creatures are there here! / How beauteous mankind is! O brave new world, / That has such people in't!
Just giving you a heads up, the Alaskan census would not include all Slavs as a single group. Russians, Ukrainians, etc.; would be counted as separate groups.
If you are referring to the pie chart on the main Alaska page, that was only meant to be a generalization of the broader population (not an actual census category).
- Sorry for the delayed response.
- All-in-all, I envision Alaska having a similar-ish system to the ones in Canada and the United States. Alaskans can declare themselves "[ETHNICITY] Alaskans" with no major limitations. This is why I've been debating whether or not Cossack Alaskans would be counted as an ethnic group (no different from Russians) or just a distinctive social group.
- In regards to your suggestion on Russo-Ukrainian relations, I don't really see that happening. However, you are not too far off from what I've been thinking of. Rather than between the Russians and Ukrainians, it would be between the "Russian Americans" (the original colonists) and the "White Emigres" (those fleeing the Russian Civil War). The "Russian Americans" would be more liberal, republican, and pro-independence (having lived on the land for generations or non-political reasons). The White Emigres would only view Alaska as a "safe zone" (over generalizing, of course), a place that's not communist but still Russian. The Emigres would also favor keeping the old status quo as much as possible, even if it ignores the wishes of the native-born Russian Americans.
- A similar situation is happening in Florida (which is why I love the idea). The native-born Floridians (such as Florida Crackers) are being overrun by new settlers from the Northern United States (e.g., ... me). Most Northerners don't view themselves as "Floridian" the same way as the native-born ones, but just another part of the United States that's not the North. The White Emigres would view Alaska in a similar light.
- It is for this reason I feel leads to the Alaskan Wars. The White Emigres are able to sway the [old] Imperial establishment and gradually take over in New Archangel. After gaining independence and watching those who have no care for their country try to "recreate the Russian Empire" out of their republic, the Russian Americans gradually establish a counter government in Oregon. This snowballs into the Communists and Dougs ceasing the opportunity to advance their agendas.
- After a decade of fighting, the tensions die down. Though the Cold War would help mend Native-Emigre relations and unite the two into the Alaskan identity of today, we would still see both groups carve out Alaska in different ways. This could explain why the north is more conservative and the south more liberal. This also played in the development of Alaskan Russian as being distinctive from Standard Russian.
- I also wish to clarify that the Russians and Ukrainians of Alaska are (more or less) on an equal footing. While Ukrainians make up the single largest group in Alaska, they don't make up the majority of all Slavic Alaskans. (These are not the official numbers, but a generalization) If Ukrainians make up 23% of the population, Russians would make up 20% (still pretty close). As for Ukrainian being suggested as an official language... Ignoring the fact that Alaska has no official language (the same is true in Mexico and the United States), I highly doubt there would exist a movement to make it one (please don't take my comment seriously, just wanted to have some fun XP). German-speakers once made up a larger portion of the American population, yet no movement was made to make it a (not) official language. As I see it, I feel Ukrainian would play a bigger role in developing the Russian Alaskan dialects (akin to how Gaelic-speakers developed the English dialects of The Maritimes and Newfoundland and Labrador).
- As for Nestor Makhno, I don't see why he can't decide to relocate to Alaska instead of France. I see a similar situation happening for many (e.g., Grand Duke Nicholas and Leon Trotsky). -- NuclearVacuum 00:56, March 18, 2018 (UTC)
Sorry about that. Wasn't aware that you wanted to adopt it. I'd be more than happy to revert the deletions for you (if you still wanted the timeline).
Also wanted to let you know that I will be writing my response to your previous message soon. Haven't had the time to write out much this past week. I also have a (kinda) surprise for you in regards to it. -- NuclearVacuum 01:08, March 26, 2018 (UTC)
- I have reverted most of the Communist-Controlled America timeline for you.  Let me know if I've missed anything. Have fun. -- NuclearVacuum 16:13, March 27, 2018 (UTC)
Remarks on Communist-Controlled America
A few ideas and remarks I have on From Sea to Shining Sea (former Communist-Controlled America)
- One or three PODs. I don't think a POD of 1898 in China, 1905 in Russia would lead to a revolution in 1925 in US. It also carries the task of completing the development between 1898 to 1825.
- The timeline lacks cause-effect-cause-... style of narration. Most things happen so.
- Better to focus in the ramifications it has in the former US. For example new states and indian rights.
- It also would be interesting to see the effects in the border nations (Canada and revolutionary Mexico) and the Caribbean and America in general, given the imperial status the US had by that time (1920s) and the Philippines
- Name of the country. Obviously a revolutionary and marxist America cannot call itself United States nor America. A more imaginative flag and coat of arms.
- Minor format issues (For example the leaders should all be in an independent page or and not in the nation infobox)
- Not thinking of making a derivative work or spin off of it but Reds! by Jello_Biafra is a terrible good story of a socialist America and a must read. Reds: A Revolutionary Timeline, Reds! A Revolutionary Timeline: (Special Edition) and The Great Crusade (Reds! Part 3) and good ideas.
- ASB or Plausibility - The Main trend of the timeline?. Sliding Scale of Alternate History Plausibility original source
- Forgot this one. Name of the timeline?. Former author had the present as a placename (according to his remark in talk page). --JorgeGG (talk) 23:49, March 28, 2018 (UTC)
- Thanks for your answers and remarks. I am all in in giving hand to the TL. Onward to Victory. First thing is to fix the infoboxes and formats. And a template when the name of the TL is definitive. --JorgeGG (talk) 12:43, March 29, 2018 (UTC)
Hallo Stepintime! I really like the CCA timeline, and since you have adopted it, I would like to help out in the future! Maybe I could add a spain where the republicans win ghee civil war with American support, who knows! Anyways, hope to hear your response! Colgan dog (talk) 13:10, March 28, 2018 (UTC)
Philippines and Liberia in CCA
May I also have permission on making a proposal page for the Philippines? I have an idea for it. The idea is too have the Philippines gain independence around the same time as it did OTL, but since the communists control America, the Philippines gains it’s independence as the ”People’s Republic of the Philippines” as is ruled by the Communist Party of the Philippines as a one party state. Another idea I have is for Liberia. It’s relatively the same idea for the Philippines, but the communists get into lower via free elections, and Liberia stays democratic, but adopts a socialist economy after 2 decades of communists winning elections, and becomes the “Liberian Socialist Republic”, but like said above, continues to have a multi-party system as many opposition parties still have influence in congress, and due to the opposition by the population to adopting a one-party State. Liberia sort of becomes a model for communist states worldwide, and Liberia’s type of socialism also adopts many capitalist features, making a widely stable economy.
I know these might not be historically possible, or plausible, but it’s still an idea to think about, and something to expand American communist influence around the world.
Communist-Controlled America (follow up)
Greetings Stepintime I have made several changes (inboxes, coherence in names) and some more background and story telling). Want to know your opinion about them. See also several drafts --JorgeGG (talk) 12:41, April 5, 2018 (UTC)
Russo-Japanese War , Revolution of 1905 and Tsar
Hope you don't mind, but I converted your ethnic group template into a full one for the timeline.
not ethier - but either
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Here is that "gift" I was mentioned way back.
It's an oversimplified spreadsheet on the population of Alaska. It's still a WIP, but a good place to start and how I currently see things demographically.
I also wanted to add about our Ukrainian discussion. In regards to why the presidents of Alaska are Ukrainian as opposed to Russian is more so limitations on my end. There were far more politicians of Ukrainian ancestry in North America than Russian ones. Just wanted to add that, but I still feel this should play a role in the timeline itself.
Now that I think of it, I guess the Ukrainian population simply got the luck of the draw in where they settled. Like their decision to settle in the Canadian Prairie, southern Alaska would host an ideal climate for the Ukrainians. By comparison, Northern Alaska would be similar to Russia (climate-wise), hence why they clustered there. So by the luck of the draw, the Ukrainians would win the most valuable land and dominate Alaska, while the Russians would be more limited in scale. This is still oversimplifying things, but still a benchmark.
But as mentioned before, Russians and Ukrainians are no longer divided nationally and both see themselves as "Alaskan" before "Russian Alaskan" or "Ukrainian Alaskan." I'd recommend giving the following video a watch to better explain this (if not for the fun of it).
Communist-Controlled America (follow up #2)
Good take on the American Deep South (i.e. 4th paragraph, Second American Civil War (Communist-Controlled America). Takes some courage to think that up.
In Sandox wrote some ideas of the administrative divisions and added other parties. I think the idea of the Workers Party of America as the sole party must be re-evaluated or at least when its political monopoly is ended or challenged.
Also, some idea of how the People's President Sarah Leslie looks like (image) or brief biography of her. Also, wouldn't be better for her to be the only one persoon to have the unofficial epithet of the People's President? in the style of revolutionary leaders.
Things are going okay (give or take). A lot happening at home, but yeah. How have you been?
- I understand where you are coming from, but I don't believe this was the proper move to make. This site is dedicated to alternate history, and as such, includes thousands of articles with "incorrect histories." Adding a disclaimer would only remove the reader from the universe being established.
- At least when it comes to my alternate history, please refrain from adding material that removes the reader from the timeline in question. Thank you. -- NuclearVacuum 02:38, June 5, 2018 (UTC)
Templates and Stuff
Thought it would be more appropriate to reply to you here (since I have more to say).
First off, long time no see. ^_^
In regards to adding the ancestral template to the main Alaska page, I don't think this is wise. The ancestral template should be used to link the various articles related ethnicity. Adding it to the main page seems inappropriate. That being said, I don't see why we can't add a macro link to the already existing Alaska template. I've done this for you, so there will be a link connecting the Alaska page to the ancestral groups category.
Now that's out of the way, I've been meaning to discuss a shift that I'm thinking in regards to the overall Doug-Russian relations. I came across John McLoughlin, who served as the head of the Columbia District of the HBC. He would later become an American and advocate for the "unification" of the Pacific Northwest (either as an independent nation or as part of the United States). I've also been reading about the general attitude British Columbians had towards the US during the 1860s, when it seems possible for BC to be annexed/purchased.
To keep things simple, McLoughlin and the BCs were neither anti-British nor pro-American. They were more pragmatic in their outlook towards the future. By the 1860s, BC was virtually isolated from the British Empire (not to mention Canada). The only connection to the outside world was through Washington and Oregon (their neighbors). These connections were vital to keeping the BC economy alive. From this, the notion of BC becoming part of the United States (IOTL) was seen as viable to the residence (not desirable, but viable). It was only after the Canadian government guaranteed the construction of a railway between BC and the east that the idea of American annexation began to fizzle.
In respect to Russian America, it's not hard to see that Columbian connections with Russia would be seen just as viable. Unlike OTL, no railway could save Columbia and it's sold instead.
Another aspect I wanted to add was Alexander II of Russia. He was the Tsar at the time of the purchase. For all intense and purposes, he was very liberal and favored many reforms to the empire. Also given his relations with Queen Victoria, I could see him favoring a lax attitude towards Columbia upon its purchase. I already have it [headcanon] that he allows British common law to remain in the territory (which it's still used today). I'm sure we could see other concessions happening, all of which were intended to appease the British settlers to remain in the territory.
This would end following the assassination of Alexander II. His successors (Alexander III and Nicholas II) would be more conservative and would view the liberal reforms with disdain. It would be from the 1880s onward that the Russian Empire would begin efforts to russify the Dougs (etc.).
As for how this would change the timeline (or the English Alaskan article): I believe the Doug diaspora would be diminished (with only the diehard British supporters leaving) and shifting of dates.
I also wanted to add that I saw your inclusion of Indian ice cream. I've never heard of this before, but now I love the idea of it becoming more mainstream in Alaska. Really good find.
- Do forgive me for the long overdue reply. Work has been hectic and I'm just getting over a cold. ^^; Also been playing out a good response.
- In regards to Leo Tolstoy being Alaskan... interesting. It's funny, but I have been trying to find Russians from OTL who may become Alaskan ITTL (still need to find a decent criteria for this, however). As for Tolstoy, I'm not 100% convinced. From what I've been able to read, he seemed attacked to his family's estate in Southern Russia. He also developed his writing style and political philosophies from Russia itself. But on the other end of the spectrum, it turns out his eldest son (Sergei Tolstoy) played a big role in resettling the Doukhobors to North America IOTL.
- The best I can come up with is that instead of joining his brother in the Caucasus and enlisting in the army (IOTL), Leo (or his brother) decide to settle in Russian America. Given that Leo was in debt at the time, perhaps he hopes to strike it rich in the gold fields. The independence of Russian America could be enough to still develop the same political philosophies (give or take). This can also play into his son encouraging Russian exiles (e.g., the Doukhobors) to settle in Russian America. This seems to be the best I can do, but it seems fairly workable (despite being a rough idea).
- I do intend to add a section to the main Alaska article related to its culture in the near future. The only subsections I have full confidence in are about sports and the system of measurements. I also have a few secret projects that I hope to finalize in the near future. If successful, they would be added into a film/television subsection.
- I believe I've mentioned this before, but you are more than welcome to create new articles for the timeline, so long as you mark them down as being proposals. If anything unworkable were to come up, I would certainly let you know, but I have faith in you.
- Feel free to make an African Alaskan article if you wish (though the Russian terminology will be quite... awkward). Unlike the Atlantic-based American colonies, I don't see Alaska having that big of an African population (due to the fact that the African Slave Trade never played a role there). Most Afro-Alaskans would likely come from Ethiopia and Eritrea (northeastern Africa more broadly) due to religion.
- As for your Mongol village idea, you are also more than welcome to start an article related to it. I also wanted to help pinpoint a potential location for it (or any Mongol village, for that matter). Here's a really cool climate map of North America. If the Mongols/Kalmyks are interested in settling areas most similar to the Eurasian steppe, than I'd suggest Idaho and the Oregon Panhandle (ATL). This area is climatically similar to Kalmykia and could play an interesting role in Russian expansion. Perhaps the Russians would favor settling Mongols in the area to safeguard their territorial claims against the Americans and British (at least until "real Russians" can settle the area). I could also see this being very awkward (from an American perspective) or a really cool story idea (in all) for how the newly settled Mongols would interact with the Plains Indians. Both are culturally very similar, so I could see them getting along and helping each other out. Now all I can think of is Dances With Wolves.
- Also, apparently New Irkutsk would have a similar climate to Ulaanbaatar, so maybe we'd have another Mongol cluster up here.
- LOL, I often feel the same way (writing about a country that will never exist). I try not to think about it and focus on the story that will come of it. Ironically, I think South Park illustrated it best. Paraphrasing here, but if something fictional truly moved you in such a way, than doesn't that make it real?
1983 Doomsday. I see you have adopted the republic of the outerbacks. Perhaps you should also adopt inner banks and elizebeth city
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Yeah, just another user that ignores the rules, nothing to worry about.
Guaranteed free movement does expire after 1900, although that doesn't necessarily mean that it will stop. The C.S. and U.S. could start limiting immigration if they wanted, but I don't see the advantage for either of them if they do that. It's kind of like the fugitive slave issue- the border's too large to have any real enforcement of immigration laws.
All those ideas sound very interesting! I'd love to write some myself, but I'm already putting a lot of time into getting all the base articles in order (I have to update the Congress, Supreme Court, Presidents, and Vice Presidents articles every few years in the timeline as well as creating new articles for the elections, people, and wars). Feel free to add whatever flavor you want to the timeline, whether that's in article form or otherwise. Just try not to make any major changes/additions without running it by me first (this timeline is my baby and I'm protective of it :). I was thinking about adding a section to deal with Brazil and other countries that might be affected so far by the timeline- I'd certainly have no problem with you doing that, if you're interested.
President Morgan is definitely an interesting fellow. His ideas are grand and unique, but like all presidents he has a Congress that he has to run his every action through. I was thinking that the Spanish-Confederate War would begin in 1893 or 94, ending within a year. There will be a minor economic shock caused by the Carlisle tariffs, followed by a much larger shock in 1895 or 96. I don't think Morgan would have the support or the time needed to make any major moves on the deportation front, or to establish any colonies in Africa. Though, now that I think about it, he could try to demand some of Spain's African colonies during the war. Also consider that Morgan wanted to deport African Americans in our timeline, where he probably saw them as worthless to society. In this timeline, they're still enslaved and thus worth keeping around in his mind.
The boll weevil infestation is due to arrive soon, which will begin the process of wiping out slavery once and for all. The next president after Morgan will probably be from the Southern Party, meaning they're going to try their best to keep slavery afloat. After they fail, I think another Confederate Party president will come along to try and move the Confederacy away from slavery and into the industrial age (maybe even keeping slaves, but as factory workers?) I've given up on them being with the Allies during World War I- I now want to have them as one of the Central Powers. The Central Powers are probably going to win with the U.S. and C.S. occupied with each other in the war instead of fighting in Europe. Maybe that's when slavery will truly end, with the U.S. refusing to withdraw from the South completely unless slavery is ended? Vavent (talk) 03:34, June 5, 2019 (UTC)
I honestly hate dealing with wars in my timelines, as I'm bad at creating realistic battles, outcomes, and numbers for them. That being said, I think I did do some thinking about the casualty rate when I wrote that article (which was a few months ago, so I don't remember all the specifics). The idea was that the Confederacy was considerably more lucky than in OTL, while the Union was more incompetently ran. Since the U.S. never broke through into the Confederacy and got the Confederates on the run, they were involved in more equal battles in their own territory. The total from OTL is 1,692,000+, with an unknown amount that wasn't counted. My total is 1,991,000, which includes those that weren't counted. So it is intended to be higher, but not to the extent it might seem at first.
The Confederate Party was intended to be the party of industrialization, but not until the early 1900's. Pretty much all Southerners would be opposed to extensive industrialization in the 19th Century. That only changes when slavery becomes unprofitable and the economy goes down the drain. Then they get desperate, and the Confederate Party is willing to offer a solution. Interesting, unrelated tidbit: despite them being the much more successful party right now, I actually have the Confederate Party becoming defunct in the 30's due to the rise of fascism. The Southern Party will then morph into the party of all anti-fascists, and then eventually into the "liberal" party while another new party becomes the conservative one.
By 1910, the Confederate economy will have rebounded a bit and mass industrialization will be under way. Then another Confederate Party president will bring the Confederacy into World War I much earlier than the U.S. joined in OTL, probably as early as 1915. The U.S. will join shortly after, with the Confederacy being at an initial disadvantage due to having troops in Europe. The Confederacy will probably suspect that the U.S. will join the war against them at some point, so they'll be prepared in some way or another. The South does have a better military tradition than the North (even today, most of the U.S. military is from the Southern states), so in theory they should have better generals and soldiers. They'll also have more experience, having fought in the Spanish-Confederate War and WWI in Europe, while the U.S. hasn't fought any wars since the Civil War. Of course, the U.S. still has way better statistics than the C.S.- even in 1890, the U.S. has a population of 45,000,000 while the C.S. has only 16,000,000 counting slaves. So yes, they'll probably have to conscript slaves at some point. The overall idea is that it will be a losing effort for the Confederacy, but a very slow and drawn out one. If they can last until 1919, when Germany wins in Europe and can come to their aid, then they can at least force a white peace (possibly using the end of slavery as a bargaining chip).
As far as I know, Mexico was in complete disarray during World War I (even moreso in this timeline, where the Mexican-Confederate War set them back a generation), so they won't be much of a factor. I have toyed with the thought of a fascist/revanchist Mexico joining WWII against the Confederacy.
WWI will ravage both the U.S. and C.S. economically and otherwise. That will cause socialism/communism to rise in the U.S. and eventually take over through revolution (with the Western states seceding and Missouri and Kentucky possibly defecting to the Confederacy). The forced end of slavery in the C.S., along with the after effects of war, will contribute to a rise of fascism in the country, only halted when Huey Long takes over and uses near-authoritarian practices to put down the revolt and fully modernize the country. Then they'll enter World War II against a fascist/revanchist France, U.K., Italy, Japan, and Mexico. (Alongside their allies Germany, the Western States of America, the socialist U.S., and the Soviet Union?) Vavent (talk) 00:44, June 7, 2019 (UTC)
MLK, Graham, and Doomsday
Hello Stepintime, I find Martin Luther King Jr. (1983: Doomsday) is a cool and unique concept. (you may also have the best username on the site) My only concern about the article, is Graham's quote.
I do believe Graham would be strongly against the deification of King, but I don't think he'll blame the Communist as the problem, more that he would see it as more of Idolatry. Graham was a anti-Communist, but I don't think he would go on an attack on Siberia, the deification of King doesn't really have a connection with Siberia as far as I can tell. I feel a younger Graham may have done so, but by 1983, he wasn't as hardline, he even had one of his Crusades in the Soviet Union.
This is a quote of Graham from the Christian Science Monitor in June 3, 1982. (A month following his visit to Moscow) "I think the technology (of nuclear armaments) has caused me to change and to feel that we must live on the same planet with these people," he says. I" wouldn't want to live under a communist system", he adds. But asked why his attitude appears less anticommunist than it once was, he replies, "Primarily because I'm for peace, and because I don't want us to get into a nuclear war with them."
Even in 1961 in his radio broadcast which was labeled How to Combat Communism, his 3rd step to was to praying for the Russian and Chinese people.
I feel Graham would consider the group pushing for MLK's deification to be more as "Theological Anti-Christs". He may quote 2 Peter 2:1-3 But there were also false prophets among the people, just as there will be false teachers among you. They will secretly introduce destructive heresies, even denying the sovereign Lord who bought them—bringing swift destruction on themselves. Many will follow their depraved conduct and will bring the way of truth into disrepute. In their greed these teachers will exploit you with fabricated stories. Their condemnation has long been hanging over them, and their destruction has not been sleeping.
Also Strom Thurmond, was a Senator not a Congressmen.
Hi there, made additions in Japan and still WIP. Sort of had a rush of ideas to write down, while I have a writer's block on my own Cromwell the Great. Also working on an idea of Korea and China (ignoring the original author's POD). I want to add Mexico but the name of the TL still bothers me so haven't created it until that issue is solved. I saw a suggestion you made of naming it From Sea to Shining Sea. Or should a branch out a new ATL with the material already worked on? --JorgeGG (talk) 19:06, July 15, 2019 (UTC)
- Good. So From Sea to Shining Sea it will be titled. On the POD I think one that leads to the Revolution in America will serve well, so a reformed Imperial China is not good nor a non Soviet Russia serve are plausible. The rest of the world until that date remains the same. Changes if directly affected or butterflied, come afterwards. --JorgeGG (talk) 00:06, July 19, 2019 (UTC)
- I think more in the 1920s a good POD. In the POD the original author points to #3. The United States- Communists and the Labor Movement and I would add chain of events like a worst Economic Depression of 1929 or something similar.
- Also, instead of having the page title Second American Civil War I would titled it Second American Revolution because of its development (revolutionary development, to say) --JorgeGG (talk) 22:07, July 21, 2019 (UTC)
Outer Banks (1983: Doomsday)
I see you have adopted Outer Banks. Question: Despite rejecting membership in the League of Nations, has OBX still decided to go with observer status or would you prefer that plot be retconned altogether? (Experiment632 (talk) 02:04, September 12, 2019 (UTC))
- Thanks. I made the correction to my short biography on Honorary Citizens by removing all references to being the observer rep to the LoN. Experiment632 (talk) 21:09, September 15, 2019 (UTC)
- While isolationist, you think Outer Banks would open diplomatic and possibly trade relations with other non-LoN members such as the Republic of Astoria? https://althistory.fandom.com/wiki/Astoria_(1983:_Doomsday) Outer Banks no doubt can get some pretty neat military hardware from Astoria for its self-defense militia which was sorely lacking during Brazil's occupation of nearby Elizabeth City. Experiment632 (talk) 18:17, July 30, 2020 (UTC)
New States of America
I like your idea of new republics, as long as there is a rationale or a backstory for their creation. As a matter of fact I had the idea for a merger of the Dakotas in one state. If its Ok I will add the section administrative division to the page of United America or perhaps as a separate entry.
I think the USSR in this ATL will experience changes from OTL. For example it will be one of the three (of four - If an idea I have for China works) and it will face the challenge of the influence of Trotsky on America. I see that perhaps:
a) reform will occur to a more less bureaucratic one party system after Stalin dies or during his paramountcy of the State and Party
b) Stalin will ally with Europe in a future WWII and regard United America as an ideological rival.
The economic crisis of the 1930s is a good POD. Because at that time reformism (i.e. New Deal) had the change to gain leverage and electoral success. Also the Red Scare of the 1920s was influential in political and cultural terms. Reform was present in both parties (even in some republicans to some degree) and the pro-business solutions had shown their limit in the 1930s and could not bring back the post WWI prosperity.
Now that i think of it perhaps around the 1960s or 1970s a historical revision of the 1930s would reconsider FDR and his New Deal as possible turning point if there was no Revolution. From this revision that the rethinking of political and economic policies would produce the emergence of new factions in the AWP.
By the way I was thinking of the party leadership and presidency of Anna Nikolaev and her unfortunate death as the missed change to reform the AWP before its factious internal infighting and its breaking up in the 1980s. Of course there will conspiracy theories that the crash of Pan-Am SST-140 in which she died was not an accident. I leave this idea for your consideration.
Stirling Award nomination
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Hey, the 1983 Doomsday project is slowly lurching back to life, and we're revisiting some of the old proposals, including Martin Luther King Jr. (1983: Doomsday). I think it's really interesting. I was skeptical at first, but reading it further I think it's got a lot of nuanced information. My hangup really comes down to the word "deify" and the suggestion that King is worshipped as part of Jesus Christ's family. It seems far-fetched to me, the idea that King's role would go so far. On the other hand there's the example of Haile Selassie in Rastafari, so maybe such a thing is possible in a context of societal collapse. I'm not sure where I fall, but I hope you can discuss your proposal. I've commented at Talk:1983: Doomsday. Benkarnell (talk) 03:30, 4 November 2020 (UTC)
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Hey there! I've been mulling over future ideas for the Brothers No More timeline, and since you were invested in it in the past, I'd like to discuss them with you. Contact me if you're up to it. Vavent (talk) 20:45, 3 June 2021 (UTC)