- 1 WWII Question
- 2 Re: FTBW
- 3 Napoleonic wars
- 4 Re: I'm Baaaaack
- 5 Banning problem?
- 6 PM3 signup
- 7 Gandhi (FTBW)
- 8 Capital Confusion: Who gets Luanda?
- 9 Foxtrot
- 10 Delhi PM3
- 11 Erm
- 12 UAA
- 13 South Africa (and other FTBW Flags)
- 14 Duplicate
- 15 my napoleonic timeline
- 16 CYOAH 3
- 17 AVAR
- 18 Adding to CYOAH!
- 19 Re:Adding to CYOAH!
- 20 Nice Blog and Timelines
- 21 re:One Day in Sarajevo
- 22 Re:FTBW
- 23 Discord
- 24 Can I contribute to CYOAH?
Hi, Tbguy1992! I've been wanting to make a timeline where Hitler is killed in the First World War. I've asked another user about this, but I wanted to get a second opinion. I've heard a lot about how even without Hitler, someone like him would have risen up regardless. This seems likely. I was wondering if you think this is plausible and if so, who it would be? Would the Nazi Party still be responsible, considering Hitler was the one who practically rebuilt it? Would it be another nationalist party, or possibly Communists? If you could answer any of these questions or point me out to someone who can, I'd be very grateful. Thanks in advance!
First off, don't thank me for nominating FTBW. Thank yourself! You've put tons of work into the timeline and it's far more fleshed out than several other timelines I've seen. Along with NW, your timeline is the most plausible Napoleon victory timeline I've seen yet.
As for helping you, I'd be glad to do it. I suppose I should just fling my ideas and the such at you? Or would you just like me to add pages that you can review? Whatever works best for you. As for photoshop, if there's something you'd like me to take a shot at, just give the word. I'll try to do my best. And Happy New Year!
Interesting. So, how is Communist China in your time-line? Is it the same as OTL or is it more lenient and such? If some of the anime and manga artists fled there (along with Alyseka and Australasia), would China be very accepting of them? If so, then I have a few ideas for some anime that could work out.
For video games, I was thinking that there could be SEGA developed elsewhere (I see you already have Nintendo developed in California), like in Australasia. They could create some popular video games (similar to the ones OTL; and of course the characters will be more different) and such. As for ZUN, his family could have fled to Australasia as well. ZUN would still develop the Touhou Project games as normal (with differences of course), but would release them on the SEGA consoles (as the PC-98 would be out of the question). Then once Touhou Project becomes popular, either Nintendo or SEGA could buy Team Shanghai Alice (similar to the Spanish Althist Gran Bretaña del Sol Naciente).
What do you think? -Kogasa 2013年2月26日 19:07:44 (JST)
Ah, okay. So that means the Chinese economy must be in the top ten and basically have a similar economic power that Japan has OTL?
I'll keep the name of SEGA, but the games and consoles will have slightly different names (except Sonic, though their storyline will be different). As for another Japanese emigre company, Capcom will be the one filling in for Sony Computer Entertainment (and the Sony in the ALT would not get into the gaming industry, and still continue with the other electronics departments). Capcom would also make their own consoles and their own games, like Ratimir (a Russian-like Mario equivalent basically), Mega Man, Gradius. They both have a huge competition like you said. With SEGA's major successes with Sonic, Templevania (similar to OTL Castlevania), Metroid, Kirby - and later Touhou Project upon the addition of Team Shanghai Alice to SEGA - as well as their consoles, they would emerge, for the most part, victorious by around 2003-2004 (or another year you suggest). Though Capcom will still be a video game developer and such, they would stop making consoles. With SEGA's major successes, I was thinking that they could be able to compete with the other major video game companies or something.
On a side note, what became of Atari and Xbox (and Microsoft)? -Kogasa 2013年2月27日 01:48:45 (JST)
Right. Though, I did saw Nintendo went and made some consoles as well up until the Ultra Entertainment System in 1997, so I assumed they had tried their own path as well before stopping? Anyway, you mind if I create the SEGA and Capcom pages (and later on, some of their games)?
I see, did Electronic Arts (from when I last read, was the re-branding of ACE Games) manage to be recover or did it vanish? I didn't see them mentioned again ever since, unless I'm missing something.
Interesting, though, what companies take the role for PC?
Lastly, with the archive, all you do is add '/Archive' at the end of your talk page (User_talk:Tbguy1992/Archive), create that page, then copy and paste parts of your main talk page and put it in the archive. To make another one, just add a number after it (like /Archive 2, /Archive 3 and so on). Hope this helps. -Kogasa 2013年2月27日 04:18:09 (JST)
1.Hey, what became of Horror movies in this ATL. Is the good ones like Halloween, or the Exorcist still here?
2. In the Russian Hockey Association, are most of the teams from OTL.
Cool, right now im working on a russian broadcasting system. Anyways, I will handle the movies. My idea is to have Genre pages for movies, and notable ones or each, Money stuff, and ETC.
Sounds good. Nintendo could sell designs for their next console to Clearwater, and then Clearwater could adapt some of the ideas into their console.
So therefore most PC's would be able to switch between Windows, Linux, etc. if people themselves so choose. Sounds nice. I was thinking of adding Lenovo as another, maybe major, PC developer for China. As for Toshiba, they would only develop their own PC and interface that would only be sold in Japan.
By the way, you think that with Windows 8 in the ALT, it could be somewhat similar to Windows 7 in design, as opposed to having a layout that would be better suited for phones?
And you're welcome. :] -Kogasa 2013年2月27日 07:40:20 (JST)
Right. Basically Sony and Toshiba would be competing among each other throughout Japan, or maybe they can work together.
I'd say go with naming the OS after US cities, and then naming it with cities worldwide, preferably from nations that are US allies (like Russia and China). For overseas release, maybe some nations that aren't US allies would use numbers instead. -Kogasa 2013年2月27日 08:15:08 (JST)
Agreed, even though Japan has got Korea, Philippines, New Guinea, I wouldn't think that they'd have much room to compete either way. Best bet is to just have Toshiba become a subsidiary of Sony by around 1970, when they are forcibly combined.
Ah okay. I though I read somewhere where racism was nearly destroyed or something so that's why I though of it.
So, how's the music industry in the ALT? Is there still Techno and Trance (but instead of becoming subgenera they are combined into Electro)?
Oh, and for future reference just call me Kogasa. It's easier then having to either copy-paste my username and such. :P -Kogasa 2013年2月27日 18:31:00 (JST)
To also be honest, I don't know that much about music either. Though I had ideas with some alternate realities for some Techno/Trance artists, like some European artists would move to like Quebec or US to freely produce the music there and such (due to France and such).
As for the Doujin Circle/Arrangements who make remixes of music from Touhou (which is quite extensive OTL) I plan to cut them down by allot (since Touhou would not receive any popularity in Japan due to dictatorship), but there will still be some people/artists/etc. who would create remixes of the music from Touhou and while it may not be as extensive as OTL, it will have a decent amount of artists who would make remixes and such.
Speaking of Touhou, I went ahead and made a section for SEGA in my Sandbox. Of course, some areas still need to be changed (the Game & Watch for example), and I tried to make it different from OTL. What do you think? Any suggestions? -Kogasa 2013年2月27日 23:54:32 (JST)
I meant Assiniboia, sorry about that.
Right. I went with the SG-1000 first because there is a similar console that is named that OTL (though the ATL SG-1000 is different from the OTL one) then went on to planets. I went back to rename the SG-1000 and SG-3000 to Sega Mercury and Sega Venus respectively. The Dreamcast has been renamed to the Sega Neptune. As for the Sega Game Gear, I went with that name because there is a similar handheld game console OTL (though the ATL is quite different). You think I should just name it after some of the planets moons instead (like Titan for example)? -Kogasa 2013年2月28日 00:34:11 (JST)
I understand. I decided to just rename the Game Gear to the Sega Rhea (second largest moon of Saturn). I may play around with the handheld console names until I can find better names that can work out well for them.
I went and made the page here. I'll make the page for Capcom later on once I get some more ideas with how their games are going to be, though I know how the consoles will be like (on a side note, seeing as Street Fighter was created by Capcom, I was thinking that Mortal Kombat could join SEGA's side or something, unless you had something else planned for them).
I'm going to wait on making actual pages for the games themselves for a long while until I can figure out some decent alternate stories for them (that doesn't involve the antagonists taking over the world or something). If you (or anyone else) have any ideas for different storyline feel free to help out. -Kogasa 2013年2月28日 02:02:35 (JST)
There's the Baltika Breweries (Russia), or the Budweiser (US) (not sure if it exists in the ALT seeing as the founder (Adolphus Busch) was a German who moved to the US). Some other choices could be Brooklyn Brewery, Appalachian Brewing Company (both from US), and Zhigulevskoye (Russia). -Kogasa 2013年2月28日 05:59:45 (JST)
Great idea! Though will the book be called Baltika Breweries World Records or Baltika World Records as a shorter form? -Kogasa 2013年2月28日 06:36:48 (JST)
I can help out with the Clearwater Technologies page (at least with the consoles). As for the "Console Wars", I'm thinking about it, but I won't deal with it until later after I expand on some of the SEGA games some more and create the Capcom page. Once I get everything set up and all, then we can both work on the Console Wars together. -Kogasa 2013年2月28日 07:05:52 (JST)
what would have been a part of the war which would have established a balance with napoleon being forced out of eastern europe but with the allies unable to remove him form power, im interested in creating a timeline based on a work ive been doing offline since ive reached something of a writers bloc on my other timelines, its not concrete yet but the basic idea is without the end of napoleon's ambitions and with strong tensions between the different warring parties continues wars between the european powers on the european continent without the balance of power and an increasingly competitive and violent colonization period. Russia, trying to eat away at the ottomans the german powers of Austria and Prussia putting aside their difference for a while to deal with an increasingly aggresive france, and the Americans having to deal with continued Spanish aggression under the napoleonic dynasty in the americas. i dont know if this is possible thats why im asking for some advice.Nkbeeching (talk) 19:13, September 18, 2013 (UTC)
actually i was thinking something more along the lines of only having control italy and the confederation of the rhine for some 20 or 30 years, the pod i was thinking was prussia joining the third coliation and a stalemate begginning in central europe with Austria and Prussia after a period of reforming like OTL Prussia did retaking much of centrsl europe in the 1830-40s. its not a tl of french dominance but rather of extended french supremacy before the rise of a greater germany, havent fleshed out the rest of consuquences yet though.
again i havent fleshed out everything yet, but i was thinking a later russian french alliance, alo im not quite sure how how the greater germany will play out since i have also noted those facts, i was honestly thinking in the future about a dual solution so to speak with a more intergrated german federation with Berlin and the German Empire eventually taking importance by the end of the 1800's and then forming a greater german Empire. That or an eventual intermarriage due to close ties by trying to resist french expansion and eventually succession war happening with either vienna or Berlin coming out on top and from there bringing about the rise of a united greater germany. would oyu be interested in helping me flesh out the timeline and being a part of it? i would at a later time create chapters with view point characters throughout the history. Nkbeeching (talk) 17:45, September 19, 2013 (UTC)
my idea for the PoD is that The Russians dont fall for the French Roose and retain control of the Pratzen Plateau, due to Mikhail Kutuzuv successfully convincing the Czar not to, this makes the battle indecisive. Seeing the French push not decisive and in a precarious situation Prussia decides to join the Allies against Napoleon using their crossing of Prussian soil as a reason. From there The French would crush the Prussians like OTL but with their position now compromised the Austrian and Russian forces are able to attack them breaking the French hold on Eastern Austria and Vienna. still need to flesh it out completely, but does it sound good? Nkbeeching (talk) 00:59, September 20, 2013 (UTC)
yup thats the one
Re: I'm Baaaaack
For what it's worth, "The Entity" is one of my favorite South Park episodes.
Neways, good to hear from you. I'm doing well, I published my second book on Amazon back in early November. I've started working hard on my new TL "Cinco De Mayo," which you might actually be interested in because it has a lot of stuff on Canada, which was a Communist country in this TL until 1989.
Hope you're well too.
Dude, can you please unban me from the chat? [sniffles] This is getting hardballs. And I honestly feel like I....I..............[crying] I dont want to say it bro, but I guess I'll have to. I just really dont feel welcome here. I am trying to make an image on the Wikiverse but it turns out that I don't feel welcome in the Wikiverse. Imean the only places I am welcome in are Map Game Wikia and Future Wikia. I just cant stand this anymore. So if I dont get my banning lifted, I will have to leave the Wikiverse for good. Ok. Anyway, just help me out here bro. Ratc3333 Here, Prepare for Combat (talk) 23:07, January 19, 2014 (UTC)
Hey - I moderate over at PM3 and saw you signed up as the Delhi Sultanate - which already has a player signed (they signed up as the "Tughlaq Dynasty" which was the ruling dynasty at tehe time). Would you be interested in moving elsewhere in India or is there somewhere else you would like to play. There will probably be a lot of shuffling and dropouts at the beginning so you may get the chance to switch, but double-bookings can't happen early and we have to keep the first come-first serve rule. That, and "Mr. YOLO" has already moved once after being involved in a double-booking of Poland-Lithuania. Commandante Lemming (talk) 17:42, January 22, 2014 (UTC)
So I was thinking about what you said about Mahatma Gandhi in your timeline, and I got a few ideas. I was thinking of having this alternate Gandhi being called Vikramaditya "Mahatma" Gandhi, and his being born later to his parents, thus making him younger in ATL. I took the name from the legend of the ancient King Vikramaditya renounded for his bravery and his fair and just nature.
Now the background to this was (I'm not sure if you have heard the fable of Buddha) that when Buddha was born, a great sage had told the future Buddha's father that he would either become a great saint or a great leader. Now he became a gaint saint and gave us Buddhism, and here parallels could be drawn to the OTL Gandhi who was peaceful and who was not involved politically. Now in ATL I envision him to be quite the political activist and a bit more aggressive (kinda like Mr Washington), more like the "great leader" and so I thought it would be a good deal of irony if his name was to reflect the fact he became a "braveheart" of Indian politics.
Capital Confusion: Who gets Luanda?
I don't know if you realize this but on the nation list for FTBW, both Angola and the Bantu Confederation have Luanda listed as the capital. Are there two Luandas or is there a mistake somewhere? Razgriz 2K9 (talk) 19:05, January 25, 2014 (UTC)
Hey, Tb, how's it going? Listen, I've been thinking about the project we were coming up with in chat the other day, so I've been thinking up of a bit of the storyline for Russia and I'd like for you to hear it, either at chat or through talk page.
Figured I would notify you that the other player who originally signed up as the Delhi Sultanate in PM3 pulled out of that state after noticing that it collapsing. Hence if you want it back, go for it. If not, good luck with Iriquois - North America will be an interesting place to play this round. Commandante Lemming (talk) 18:50, January 29, 2014 (UTC)
I am also here to inform you that Delhi has opened up for whatever reason.
18:53, January 29, 2014 (UTC)
If you want to avoid annoying mod intervention in your nation you'd be better off in Delhi. The mods don't have many plans for India. However North America will be the mods' little guinea pig.
19:29, January 29, 2014 (UTC)
... actually the corner of North America he's chosen isn't bad and won't run him afoul of any planned events. In fact I think he could do quite well as an Iriqouis state. Commandante Lemming (talk) 19:31, January 29, 2014 (UTC)
Honestly I think you should stay in North America. We're light on Western Hemisphere players and you will have interesting obstacles to deal with, pluse a lot of room to expand unmolested rather than fighting for survival. So I would personally advise you not to swtich back to Delhi and keep your Iriquois state. Commandante Lemming (talk) 03:50, January 30, 2014 (UTC)
Hey Tbguy. Now I know you said you were moving on from FTBW, but I had an epiphany. So I went and made a flag which I thought could be your communist version of OTL. From what i can tell, it is the UK which goes Commie and because they aren't many UK symbols out there which I could use, i used two pretty basic Communist symbols.
If you want a version with this in the corner of the flag (like the OTL Soviet Union flag), just tell me. For India, I was thinking of replacing the star with the Ashoka Dharma. If you are interested in this flag or the one I propose, tell me and I will make it for you!
http://althistory.wikia.com/wiki/User_talk:SwankyJ#UAA_.28pm3.29 SwankyJ (talk) 01:44, March 18, 2014 (UTC)
South Africa (and other FTBW Flags)
Now your flag was pretty good. Here are my two versions.
I actually liked the first one quite a lot lol. But I am glad you liked my flag. :)
I really like your Palestine Flag - it looks very good. However, it is slightly pixilated so I am wondering if I could try to make an svg version of the flag? I dunno if I would manage to make it exactly like your flag, but I could try if you want.
To be honest, the Fleurdelisé is quite overused - on the same scale as the Quebec tricolour of green-white-red. I was thinking maybe have the French flag as a base - which would be blue-white-blue instead of the usual flag and have the fleur in the middle. I'll make you the flag and post it here. :D Imp (Say Hi?!) 21:26, April 30, 2014 (UTC)
- For Australasia - I have ideas but for the individual nations. Lemme think of something. :L Imp (Say Hi?!) 21:27, April 30, 2014 (UTC)
Will do. Here is a possible version of Quebec. I could change the Fleur into gold or red if you think that would suit the flag better.
I realise it kind of looks like the Canada flag - completely untintentional but the base does diffrenciate both flags significantly. I also present an inverted version of the flag on the left which could work too. Tell me if you think these flag would not work and what you would like to change as I can do so. :) Imp (Say Hi?!) 21:41, April 30, 2014 (UTC)
I see. Well, I thought your flag was a bit too simple lol but it makes sense now. I have two flag ideas as I took your "made it quickly" idea to heart.
The first flag is a play on the New Orleons flag in Louisiana - a flag which has French connotations and could be found pretty easily. The second is based off one of the first French flags for their North American colonies. Thoughts on these? Imp (Say Hi?!) 22:34, April 30, 2014 (UTC)
Haha, a flags page may be recommended lol. So the three fleurs-de-lis work with the second flag? Good to hear lol. The change of flags may be logical considering what you said makes a lot of sense. I will try and make an Australasia flag proposal as soon as I have figured out how it will look. XD Imp (Say Hi?!) 18:16, May 1, 2014 (UTC)
Ok, I have two current versions for the Australian flag.
I do have a preference, I like the first one better for some reason, although the version in black I also like quite a lot. As always, if you would like anything changed or any colours edited and such - please do tell me. If you like none of the three for Australia - give me more ideas lol and i will try to make another flag. :D Imp (Say Hi?!) 20:00, May 1, 2014 (UTC)
So many flags under this heading already lol. I have a few more - this time for New Zealand.
I really can't say I have clear favourites on these three. Even the third one which didn't seem to look nice has a certain charm to it if you look at it again. So as usual, tell me what you think. If you don't like any of them, just tell me what you would like changed/added/remade. Plus, I need your opinions on making the Australasia flag now lol. :D Imp (Say Hi?!) 16:59, May 2, 2014 (UTC)
Oh? I just made that to represent Australia lol. I planned to use the background colour from this flag and the star and crown used on both flags. I was stumped on what would fill the right-hand side of the flag. :L Imp (Say Hi?!) 19:23, May 2, 2014 (UTC)
Here is the flag I was talking about, the basic one.
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my napoleonic timeline
i know i have discussed with you on many occassions the timeline ill be making, i have decided to use a final pods to start it off. i would like your blessing none the less to use some basic ideas from your timeline ofcourse with my own twist to them. basicly the pod will be nelson dying in the battle of the nile after Francois-Paul Brueys gets help from Pierre-Charles, and Denis Decres in an attempt to encircle the british fleet. though a failure the damage done to the british fleet would help the French when the attempt to break the british fleet in the battle of the canal ending with heavy losses on both sides (mainly spanish on Napoleon's side). ths will be followed by the french victory over austro-russian forces causing the prussians to avoid a war with france and ultimately ending conflicts on the european continent for a few decades. With Blood and Iron (talk) 20:41, May 20, 2014 (UTC)
well actually the british manage to smash the french fleet however they themselves are trashed half a decade later in the battle of the canal.
Tb, I wanted to write a diplomacy turn that would say I selled you 9 T-69 Sewell's and their blueprints in AVAR, but Chrome crashed when I tried to edit it, so technically I bought the ships you gave me and I selled the 9 T-69 and their blueprints. - QuebecanCanada Also Tb, below your diplomacy turn that is below my turn, can you write this?:
- New Zealand Diplomacy: We accept and sell 9 T-69 Sewell tanks to Canada, we also accept the Canadian offer and buy the designs for the new Flower corvettes and the Provincial Class destroyer in exchange for the blueprints of the T-69 Sewell. - QuebecanCanada
Adding to CYOAH!
Could I add a page to your Choose your own alternate history? I have a great idea for one. Scotty Gaither (talk) 23:16, September 27, 2016 (UTC)Scotty GaitherScotty Gaither (talk) 23:16, September 27, 2016 (UTC)
Re:Adding to CYOAH!
Thank you, Tbguy1992. I really aprciate it and I'm glad your okay with me adding to CYOAH! and, if you can would you look at my addition to CYOAH!? It's the third POD. Thank you. Scotty Gaither (talk) 15:05, October 9, 2016 (UTC)ScottyGaitherScotty Gaither (talk) 15:05, October 9, 2016 (UTC)
Nice Blog and Timelines
Just wanted to give you a positive shoutout and good word.
re:One Day in Sarajevo
I'd definitely suggest putting some emphasis on the 1916 presidential elections, which seems to be a significant turning point in American history. During this election, California was noted to be a particularly fierce political battleground, it being a swing state. Perhaps the 'worse World War' is all the ammunition the voters need to elect an isolationist POTUS. I really like the idea of Norman Thomas increasing Socialism in the US. Perhaps Guild socialism, which was becoming popular in the UK at the time in OTL, gains more traction and finds its way to the US. This was a more libertarian socialist movement that the American people may be more keen to pick up at the time.
If you're looking for fluff, I'd look to the film industry. This would be an excellent source of propaganda, especially in a TL that's gearing up for a revolt. I'd use the 1920s as a springboard for this. In addition, I'd include some stuff about Prohibition and how the criminal underworld deals with it. Aside from this, I really like how everything progresses during the 30s and 40s. An assassination might alienate people who would have otherwise joined the socialists, though it does seem necessary to force the socialists into action. The Jim Crow laws could also result in many African Americans joining the socialist side of the civil war. Just some brain droppings, I hope they help. If I think of anything else, I'll post them here. I really like what you have so far.
I'm terribly sorry for this mistake. I wasn't aware that the page I removed the template from WAS the main page of your timeline. Since the article had parentheses in the title, I genuinely believed the template was added to the wrong article.
What is the code for the AH wiki discord?
Can I contribute to CYOAH?
I don't have more than 75 edits, I only have ~ 40, but I would like to be able to contribute because I really liked the idea and realized that a lot can be added. I'm very realistic and I think I could help.