TSPTF Responsibilities

If you are receiving this message, you are a member of the TSPTF. In an effort to keep this wiki in tip-top shape, I have made a list of responsibilities on the TSPTF page that I hope you all volunteer to do (at least three of them). If we work together we can make this place into a quality wiki. Mitro 22:17, August 2, 2010 (UTC)

Balkanized Russia

I think you might like and i would like that you contribute to my new timeline, And Broke into Pieces, My Russia , in which Russia balkanize, please answer me. VENEZUELA 04:58, August 3, 2010 (UTC)


So someone created a page without me knowing, you find it wrong, and you don't notify me about it? It has been over two months, and I had no idea about this conversation. I don't care, I just find it hilarious that I just found out about it =P --NuclearVacuum 01:45, August 13, 2010 (UTC)

Oh? Sorry, I guess I never got that message. Sorry, but yes, those two did not get my permission to do make articles, but I don't mind. I just made a template for prop articles like this, so this should help out. --NuclearVacuum 13:23, August 13, 2010 (UTC)
I have changed way that articles are to be made on New Union. I have no problems with people adding their own articles, but as long as they add the NUProp template until it can be incorporated into the timeline. So if you happen to come across any more of these articles, feel free to add the template to the article. Thank you again. So besides that, how has everything been for you? --NuclearVacuum 15:27, August 14, 2010 (UTC)
Things have been pretty good for me as well. Nothing as prestige as going to Zagreb University, though. Congratulations on gaining lieutenant, I hope I could get that high here some day. --NuclearVacuum 18:50, August 16, 2010 (UTC)


I have been doing some thinking lately on the outcome of the Yugoslav wars. I think it would be better if a Bosnia state came out. So I have been rethinking the outlook of the region. Serbia would gain the Republika Srpska, Croatia would gain the Croatian Republic of Herzeg-Bosnia, while the remainder would be reorganized into a "Republic of Bosnia." What do you think about that? It might interest you that if I do make this up, Yugoslavia would loose area, but Croatia would gain a little more. --NuclearVacuum 18:53, August 16, 2010 (UTC)

I really can't say. I just feel bad for the Bosnians, and I don't think they should loose so much. Plus I can't think of any other nation like that which ceased to exist over a civil war. I have made a map that shows the territorial changes of the region, which I will post soon. --NuclearVacuum 13:26, August 17, 2010 (UTC)
If you wish to help out, feel free to. I am so glad that you are keen on the Columbia idea. It was an idea as part of an irony that this timeline would take on the world. Domestically and Internationally, the people went through so much to end the Soviet Union, leading to turmoil and tensions within the world. But the irony is if the USSR continued to exist (even a non-communist one), I see the world being greatly different. I am also thinking about the USSR assisting the US in the Afghan war, allowing the US efforts to successfully capture Osama bin Laden. The Columbia idea came from the fact that the USSR would be a greater help on the ISS, it would be built faster and better. With that, the US didn't need to feel pressured about a deadline, and would have taken a closer look at the film showing a piece of foam hitting Columbia. I thought having a heartwarming story like this was better than having the Soviets suffer a shuttle accident of their own. --NuclearVacuum 18:41, August 17, 2010 (UTC)

As from Luna-Glob, yes, it is a moon mission. It is the exact same as in OTL (Luna-Glob). --NuclearVacuum 20:13, August 17, 2010 (UTC)

Well like I mentioned before, I don't think the Soviets would have been able to get to the Moon within the timespan this timeline has taken. But I have been doing some thinking on the subject. Maybe the Soviets could reach the Moon much sooner than the Russians plan to in OTL. Maybe as early as 2012-2014. I recently came across an article that was written in 2005, which talks about that if Russia would fund it, cosmonauts could be landing on the Moon by 2012. I think that sounds quite interesting, maybe the USSR in TTL would be more keen on the subject. What do you think? But one thing I am thinking about is that I am not too sure if I am going to be around by 2012. Maybe we can make it happen sooner than that, maybe this year? --NuclearVacuum 21:34, August 17, 2010 (UTC)
Let me correct myself, it's not that I don't think I won't be here, but rather I think I won't be interested in AH that much. But than again, you never know. But yeah, now that I am thinking about it, I think it is pretty premature to have a Moonshot in 2010. Bu I am all for a 2012 Moonshot. But the Soviet Moonshot needs to start somewhere. How about we have the first Soviet manned mission for a Lunar orbit in the late 2010-early 2011 timeline? I was also thinking a good cosmonaut would should be the first Soviet on the Moon. --NuclearVacuum 22:52, August 17, 2010 (UTC)


Thanks for the info. --Bill, 13:59 (EST), August 17, 2010


Yes of course! I'm gonna be based on Taliban and Chechen flag. I know how to draw and create all this because i'm artist (hobby). VENEZUELA 18:27, August 17, 2010 (UTC)
MLA coa





I was thinking about creating another large Russian survivor state in what was the western USSR, it would probable be more like the Rhineland Federation than a unified state though. I was wondering what you thought about this and whether you could help be out with it?Vegas adict 20:46, August 17, 2010 (UTC)

Yeah its quite late where i am as well, thanks for agreeing to help me out on this and for the advice on the location, i knew that most of the moscow area would be a wasteland but i couldn't think of where to put the possible stateVegas adict 21:03, August 17, 2010 (UTC)

I was hoping that the creators of the ANZC and the other nations in the SI would posible put up a few quotes but as that hasn't happened we should probably get round to creating some quotes and media analysis as wellVegas adict 21:18, August 17, 2010 (UTC)

Whats your feelings on creating other pages like you have for the USSR? I was thinking of doing pages on Rossosh, Andrey Tretyak and posibly the military or at the least the 6th Guards and 206th Motor Rifle DivisionVegas adict 16:25, August 23, 2010 (UTC)

Good point, we should push for geting the main page graduated and finish of the Socialist Internation Conference firstVegas adict 07:48, August 24, 2010 (UTC)

Yeah, something like that sounds about right for relations between the two. Though any thoughts of Belarus actually joining are out, as an fyi. Same goes for the Northenr Caucasian states too.

Feel free to add more. Like I told vegas, I've no problem with that, so long as you tell me.

And I also approve of the line about Greece as well, fyi.

Lordganon 09:39, August 28, 2010 (UTC)

Reaching out to the Nordic Union does definetly seem like a good idea, I'l talk to the creator about it. With regards to seperate pages for the statelets, prehaps only for the major states I.E Rossosh, Ukrainian Military Administration and Mordovia. As i said before I'm going to do a page on the 206th Motor Rifle Division and posibly for other subjects. Feel free to start any of the state pages though Vegas adict 12:16, August 30, 2010 (UTC)

Slasher Horror Icons in Virginian Comics

I have some ideas for the involvement of several horror icons in Virginian Comics:

  1. Freddy Krueger- Instead known as the "Dream Master" and has much less murderous motivations.
  2. Jason Voorhees- Basically unchanged, except that he has ganed an inate ability that increases his intelligence every time he kills someone, as he absorbs the person's IQ along with their soul.
  3. Michael Myers- Killed in Doomsday, but his mask survived and whoever puts on the mask is posessed by his spirit.
  4. Leatherface- His murderous activities have continued unabated by Doomsday.

Also the murderous inbred mutants from "The Hills Have Eyes" could fit in the 1983: Doomsday universe very well.

Yankovic270 21:30, August 17, 2010 (UTC)

Russia's flag and Coat

Here they are, because the country was created by a Communist dictator i created this, mixing people's Albania and Russian 1917 provisional governement.
VENEZUELA 16:41, August 18, 2010 (UTC)

Russian Confederacy flag

Venusian Haven

Hey, Vladivostok. I know how you said you are interested in space travel and stuff, well I though you might be interested in the new timeline I have been working on for a while now. In this timeline, Venus developed much like Earth, so it has become a lush planet with water and life. The timeline of Earth continues the same up until the space race, in which the characteristics of Venus are found out. Eventually the Soviet Union will be the first to land on Venus (Valentina Tereshkova =D), and a large Soviet colony exists there. I though you would like to check it out. --NuclearVacuum 17:30, August 19, 2010 (UTC)

Okay, Vlad. Sorry, I guess you can say I am not so much of a formal person. But anyway, yes, this is my big surprise. I didn't want to mention it until I had all the bugs worked out, but now I think it is about ready to go. As for your questions, yes. Venus will have a vast ecology of animals and plants. I am imagining a planet with lush rain forests and tropical jungles. However, no [current] Venusian species has evolved to be considered intelligent. I am envisioning a planet where humans can colonize, not invade. Sorry, I have seen the movie Avatar, and I just can't think of there being any kind of invasion of natives lands, so I'd prefer all the animal species be feral. That doesn't mean that there won't be any that are smart in their own way. I do have an interesting idea, but please don't make an article on it yet, in which explorers uncover an ancient city on Venus, but nothing more advanced than the Mayans or the Romans. I also have an interest in thinking that there would be a large population of carnivorous plants, a mock of Venus Flytraps, plus I find carnivorous plants very fascination.
As from New Union, please don't feel obligated about anything. Excuse me for my wording, but I am not expecting anything from you. I like to think of AltHist as fun and creative, not job or assignment. So please, don't feel obligated. Just have fun, that's what I am doing =D --NuclearVacuum 18:26, August 19, 2010 (UTC)
*Laughing Out Loud at Flying Jellyfish Idea*
No, I kid, that does sound like an interesting idea. As for the Soviet Union, I am thinking along the lines that the Venusian colonies became good nationalism for the Soviet Union, leading to the USSR remaining a union, but with major reforms by Gorbachev (much like the USSR in New Union). But anyway, I predict that the USSR would have colonies centered around the primary city of Gagaringrad (named after Gagarin), but several of them (and a vast amount of colonized area) would unite to form the first Venusian nation, New Kamchatka. I haven't put much though on other colonies yet. But as for other colonies, I am thinking of a joint Arab colony around the the "Artemis Sea" (because it is shaped like a crescent moon). I need to work out the events that lead to this, but something along the lines of Hussein showing more interest in colonies than invading Kuwait or Saudi Arabia. Both Kuwait and SA also show interest in colonies, leading to a join ESA-like entity for the Arab League, and transforming the Arab League into an Arab Union.
As for Doomsday, I really find that timeline quite interesting. A little dark for my liking, but I love to read it. But the main reason I haven't done anything with it is because I feel like it has all been carved up, and I was the last in line. But that hasn't stopped me from trying to come up with some ideas. --NuclearVacuum 18:46, August 19, 2010 (UTC)
Not to sound cocky, but this was one of the reasons I kept this timeline secret for a while. In fact, only a few nations (mostly the USSR and the USA) will have colonies on Venus. Maybe Arabia, Japan, Europe, but they would not be as extensive as the USSR/USA efforts. As for the technology, it would be a bit more advanced, if not equal to what the technology is in otl. Because Venus similar to Earth, colonization on Venus itself is nothing to worry about too much. The main obstacle is getting there. The idea I have is that the USSR took a huge gamble on getting to Venus. For the first cosmonauts, it will be a one way trip. The first rocket to be built there won't be until the mid to late 1990s. The Soviets wouldn't land there until the early 1980s. It's much more complex, but I will write the details on the Soviet efforts soon. --NuclearVacuum 19:32, August 19, 2010 (UTC)


That arangement sounds mutually beneficial to both of us.

Yankovic270 22:10, August 30, 2010 (UTC)

Hey Vlad and Yank, I am the creater of the Macedonia article and would like to know what you guys think about a possible alliance of the former Yugoslav states, for economic, military, and overall political purposes. Ownerzmcown 21:20, September 1, 2010 (UTC)

That seems to be a reasonable arrangement.

Yankovic270 21:17, September 9, 2010 (UTC)


If you are receiving this message you are a member of the TSPTF. Owen, which is already causing ruckus, wants to be part of the TSPTF again ! He claimed that he did not vote for Smoggy so he could gain respect but then wrote on Louis' page what I am about to write below:"since I successfully nominated Smoggy, can I join the TSPTF now?" - Owen1983He doesn't get it, this guy. I suggest you respond to him. He does not get how we function, he does not understand how to write alternate history, hell, he barely knows how to write English, and he is a grade-A spammer. Some people are already complaining again and hes only been back for about a week or so. Please respond, Arstarpool

Ural Territory

Hey, Vlad.

On some maps I am thinking shrinkening/removing the presence of the Ural Territory because it creates an illusion that Siberia controls most all of Russia. It's just that the article states its pretty much a gateway for refugees to get into the country; and other than that its pretty much a military outpost. Many maps also overexaggerate how much is under Siberian control and I've seen one that shows all of Russia not under another country as Siberian. This is just my opinion that it shouldn't be included, since it is not really an integral part of the USSR, but I will change/remove the maps I have edited it as so far.

Respond when you can, Arstarpool

Middle East Geopolitics

I was thinking about developing something with the Middle East in 1983: Doomsday. Since the Turkey articles are largely complete, Iraq is getting there, and the basics of Syria, Lebanon, and Israel are already written, we can start diving deeper into the politics of the region. Since you are the writer of the Iran article, would you be interested in developing this more? I have also discussed this with Fxgentleman.

As I see it, we have three options.

1. Turkey-GSU (and possibly Israel) vs. Iran-Kurdistan-Pakistan

2. Turkey-Iran vs. ADC and/or Socialist Siberia

3. Middle East bloc composing all major nations

It certainly could prove interesting given the possible dynamics of the region. Get back to me when you can. Caeruleus 01:46, October 25, 2010 (UTC)

Culture of Tibet

Would you mind if I wrote a couple of paragraphs on the culture of Tibet? I know quite a bit about pre-PRC Tibet and the Tibetan Empire and I was hoping I could write something up on the area. Arstar 03:52, November 12, 2010 (UTC)


I've started a page USSR (1983: Doomsday) it concentrates as much info on the USSR found all over the 1983:Doomsday pages onto just one page. It's about the basic history of the USSR, the events during DD and the time directly after DD. As you are the editor of the majority of the post-DD Soviet pages i thought you could have a look see if i've missed anything off that'll be relevent or gotten anything wrong (timings, names etc), it's only a basic page at the moment but i'm hoping to make it better over time. Thanks Smoggy80 18:59, November 29, 2010 (UTC)


Per our previous discussion, Bosnia has been made a fouding member of the Mediterranean Defense League, which is the defensive organization I mentioned. Also, Croatia and Slovenia will be invited to join, but whether they do or not is up to you. Caeruleus 21:13, December 14, 2010 (UTC)

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Adopting the USSR

Can i take over management of the USSR from you, I promise to stick with the general feal of it and maintain your plans while keeping it updated?Vegas adict 17:41, March 25, 2011 (UTC)

Have you decided to start being active again?Vegas adict 18:31, April 26, 2011 (UTC)

Well i'm actualy glad that your considering it. Although I like Russia as a country and I am a socialist I only offered because I thought the USSR needed someone to look after it. With the recent expansion I think that tensions with the ADC won't be to large imediately, after all they claim to be democratic. The Nordic Union might make a fuss but the largest problem would be the RC and the other Russian states, Although they are no great friends with the USSR at the moment they have no great reason to fight them now and would be happy bickering amongst themselves. The joining of the USSR with the PUSSR might cause them to form an alliance against the USSR which would not be a good thing for the USSR.Vegas adict 18:59, April 26, 2011 (UTC)


Yeah, I suppose I could do it. I like making maps, funny enough.

Though, fair warning, I'll probably be the one arguing for the most limited area of expansion in the north, lol.

Lordganon 09:26, April 28, 2011 (UTC)

Heh. Yeah, that's reasonable, though I would say that part of Northwestern Khanty-Mansi Autonomous Okrug — Yugra would be a must too.

As for Murmansk Oblast, I'd avoid it. Sapmi is actually in negotiations as of a few months ago to join the NU - which I had forgotten about and should remind Cheese of - and they probably, given the situation of the Sapmi in the Union already, have joined by now.

Note that the map will be later rather than sooner, I'd expect, but should be done before you think you'll announce the expansion.

Lordganon 09:57, April 28, 2011 (UTC)

Northwestern Territory works well as a name.

I'd go with a site in Ark~ Oblast myself.

Lordganon 10:32, April 28, 2011 (UTC)

No worries, Vlad. I'd figured it was an accident. Lordganon 07:12, April 29, 2011 (UTC)


Long time no see^_^ How have you been? --NuclearVacuum (Talk) 15:38, April 30, 2011 (UTC)

I can understand. It's good to take brakes every now and again. Glad to hear you have been doing well. Yes, NU has been getting a makeover lately (or it will). --NuclearVacuum (Talk) 15:53, April 30, 2011 (UTC)
Not at all. Forgive me for sounding corny, but I took into account your EU before I made any changes. The Neutral Bloc only declare themselves neutral between NATO and the CSTO. The EU would be seen not as a choosing of sides, but as a means of securing and protecting European sovereignty from both the USSR and the USA. Granted, there are more NATO members in the EU, the EU would be taken (by the USSR) as a unique entity, not a pro-western or anti-Soviet organization. So simply, the US would love it, and so would the USSR. I want to continue to think of the EU as potentially federalizing into a USA or USSR-like state in the future (no dates yet). Does that help? --NuclearVacuum (Talk) 20:54, April 30, 2011 (UTC)

Cities in the Former USSR

Added a list of the largest surviving cities in the Former USSR to the cities article today, with my guesses as to current populations. Figured I'd let you know. If you think any in Siberia, or anywhere, really, are off, lemme know. Lordganon 06:49, July 28, 2011 (UTC)

Moravia (1983: Doomsday)

I was wondering if you could help me with my latest article. It's about another survivor state in former Czechoslovakia. Does your area of expertise extend to the area? I'm planning on it still being a communist dictatorship, but based around the philosophy of Alexander Dubček.

Yank 17:45, October 5, 2011 (UTC)

Costa Rica, Nicoya, and Nicaragua

Hi, Vlad. I don't know how often you check this, but I am interested in writing a news arc to resolve the "Nicoya question" in the near future. At this point, Costa Rica is strong enough to occupy the peninsula singlehandedly, but has not done so out of fear of provoking the Nicaraguans. However, their relationship has improved in recent years. If Costa Rica took unilateral action in Nicoya, what would be the likely response from Nicaragua? From the USSR? Benkarnell 19:12, November 9, 2011 (UTC)

Thanks for the input, late or otherwise! I'll begin writing that news arc as soon as I get the chance. Benkarnell 04:05, December 1, 2011 (UTC)

Siberian expansion and the areas around Novgorod, Sapmi and Finland

Far as I can tell, what is left of Karelia not in that republic is already under the control of Siberia.

That map is really a bit misleading - it's more so the populated area. Novgorodian forces already are in control of the area - from Lake Ladoga to the old Estonian border - that you're referring to.

There'll be tension already, no doubt. Just because nothing has been written - in all fairness, you did kinda go poof for a while there - doesn't mean it doesn't exist.

On another note, I have to doubt that at this time Siberia could move into the area near the Sapmi, on the Peninsula - just a bit of a stretch, you know?

Lordganon 08:09, December 1, 2011 (UTC)

No worries, Vlad. I recognize that we all have our periods of activity.

I was more so referring to the area east of Sapmi, but to some extent that applies for west of it, too. Really, if it looked like Sapmi would get cut off from Norway/Finland I have to think that the NU would secure it first. Areas east of it would be largely areas that would be hard, at best, to move troops into without air supply, and despite all things, I really can't see there being enough of that in the area to do both that and the overall movement at the same time.

Lordganon 01:00, December 2, 2011 (UTC)

Yeah, no worries. That sounds more or less what it was before, and barring anything else, the older discussion is somewhere on my page for me to find. Lordganon 14:50, December 2, 2011 (UTC)

Graduating Articles

Not that I think anyone had any objections to the Cola Grande article - I know I didn't - but a day is really not enough time to wait for objections, Vlad. Even with article deletion we are supposed to wait three days before pulling the trigger. Mitro usually kept articles around for a week or so, which is what I've tried to do as well, since it seems reasonable. Lordganon 09:34, December 24, 2011 (UTC)

No, no need to do anything like that. Lordganon 15:21, December 24, 2011 (UTC)

<gentle reminder> Lordganon (talk) 09:15, April 25, 2013 (UTC)

No worries. Not like I thought any would object, lol. Lordganon (talk) 23:30, April 25, 2013 (UTC)

Cuban Colony at Savannah

Hi, Vlad. Our recent discussion concerning exploration of Atlanta by the Cubans led me to write a stub for a colony on the site of the former city of Savannah Georgia. The Cubans could safely travel the unused interstates across central Georgia out of the jurisdiction of either Neonotia or Georgia (CSA). I have placed the article in my sandbox for your consideration. I am going to run it by Brian as well, since he is the one that first mentioned the exploration. In doing this, I can leave the article for proposal stage in the new year with probably very little resistance. :-)

It includes two "photo shopped" pictures which I created using MS Paint. Though I am waiting to post the proposal, having created the photo's (pretty good, if I do say so myself!) if you or Brian wish you can promote them for the awards for this year. -- Just a suggestion, since they won't be eligible next year. SouthWriter 21:11, December 26, 2011 (UTC)

PS: I hope you had a Merry Christimas. SouthWriter

International Dateline

Hi, Vlad. I just had an idea that makes sense to me. I was looking for who would be the first to celebrate New Year's Day. I recalled that the international date line actually bends eastward to keep all of OTL USSR in the same time zone (and among the first to see the new day). Given the Alaskan Autonomous Territory takes a bite out of the -11 time zone, why not have the USSR insist (aways back, but never mentioned in canon) that the DMZ be the new international date line. It might have a public relations purpose, or even a military advantage. There could even be an official announcement out of Bethel as the "city" which sees the new year in each year. That is what led to this suggestion. I was thinking of just posting it on the news feed, but it's primarily your article so I'll let you do it. Or give me the word and I'll do it some time tomorrow (Jan. 1, 2012 EST). SouthWriter 02:23, January 1, 2012 (UTC)

PS. I was looking further into the International Dateline, and I saw the Line Islands, part of Kiribati, in a time zone at + 14! The Kirbati article mentions this as having happened in 1995 as it did in OTL. If the AAT adopted the time line, but kept "Alaska Time" they would advance to "+15" being an hour ahead of Kiribati! Maybe you can make it a recent development to stay a step ahead of the ANZC of which Kiribati is an associate state (some islands being handed over from the US officially on September 23, 1983 - just days before DD!). SouthWriter 03:13, January 1, 2012 (UTC)

Doomsday Tibet and Yunan relations with Guangxi

Hi Vlad, I am creating a page on Doomsday and the area I am starting with is in Guangxi province. I was wondering what Yunan would do if a technocratic-communist nation sent an expedition to Yunan in 1992? Thanks

Scandinator 02:06, January 5, 2012 (UTC)

Thank you! I just need Arstar to get back to me and I can complete the article and submit it!!Scandinator 12:59, January 5, 2012 (UTC)

PRC - Jiangsu relations

So what the discussion on the Gansu page has shown me is that the PRC is going to have to get their act together if they want to reclaim more of the country. That means food, that means recognizing Jiangsu. It seems like an inevitibility really. Maybe we should establish a timeframe for that.Oerwinde 19:48, February 16, 2012 (UTC)

There could be other factors as well. Raids from Imperial China, simply some factions within the government saying "hey, we have all these mineral resources and nothing we can do with them without trade" etc. A harsh winter would just be the last straw. As for weather patterns, a lot of natural disasters have hit the news feed the same time ATL as OTL such as hurricanes and tsunamis and such. I don't see a reason to change that now.Oerwinde 00:00, February 17, 2012 (UTC)

I think the PRC are savvy enough to recognize that officially recognizing Jiangsu before meeting with them would show some goodwill and make Jiangsu more receptive to what they have to say.Oerwinde 09:38, February 18, 2012 (UTC)

Next week is probably more likely. Time to arrange schedules, check on the sincerity of the PRC's claims, arrange security, etc.Oerwinde 03:36, February 24, 2012 (UTC)

Sorry, I haven't had a lot of time during the weekdays and it slipped my mind by the weekend. If you want to go ahead thats fine. Also, sorry for the late reply.Oerwinde 19:36, March 7, 2012 (UTC)

Got to ask, since I cannot find where it is - where is this place you're looking at the PRC getting a port? Lordganon (talk) 02:20, April 27, 2013 (UTC)

Imperial China and Siberian Manchuria

In spite of the recent interest being thrown into Eastern Asia I thought this would be a good time to bring up the articles I have in the area. Qin China is almost directly bordering the Siberian border in Manchuria and I wrote that the Qin are using hit-and-run tactics to attempt to claim northern Manchuria. Obviously they would fail at capturing anything of much significance but I was wondering if you'd have anything you'd like to right to reflect the Siberian side of the equation, or if you have any problems with what I have written. Arstar 00:45, February 17, 2012 (UTC)


Hey Vlad

I am hoping to harmonize Yunnan with Guangxi to graduate the latter. Scandinator (talk) 05:33, February 19, 2012 (UTC)

Vlad, as his article is a proposal, he must make it match Yunnan, not the other way around. Lordganon 08:24, February 19, 2012 (UTC)

Of course, I know. But it does not conflict in any way, as far as I can see. As I just stated on Scandinator's wall, when the time comes, I'll add that they met them at one point. It doesn't change anything really.Vladivostok 08:31, February 19, 2012 (UTC)


Dear Vladivostok,
My name is Mscoree, and I am the creator of the Manchurian Territory page for the timeline, 1983: Doomsday. The article, which focuses on the region of Manchuria itself and northern China, unlike the page specializing in the Soviet republic of Manchuria, is currently under review as a proposal. Recently administrator Lordganon informed me that the page was 'obviously inaccurate,' and I was wondering if you can give me a few tips. I understand that you're an experienced contributor to the timeline, and are very informative on the topic of Manchuria post-doomsday, and I hope that you can help me improve my knowledge of the topic to improve the article.
Mscoree (talk) 21:44, April 11, 2013 (UTC)

Thought I'd include this here - Arstar told me to supervise/keep an eye on his articles for him when he more or less left. So, you've permission to do whatever you want to Imperial China - the only "condition" I would have is that the Emperor gets away. Lordganon (talk) 07:24, April 14, 2013 (UTC)

Hey Vlad! As I have started up this, I was wondering if you could give the official response for this campaign. I would guess the SAC hasn't said anything becuase Fed hasn't responded for them yet. :D 1 Imp (Say Hi?!) 11:48, April 14, 2013 (UTC)

Thanks man! I was also wondering about the PRC. Apart from Guanxi, the last time the other Chinese states were edited we like a year and a half ago. So I'm guessing they would have expanded? Cause even Gansu has grown slightly to the south and west.

So yeah! BTW, do you require a UIP response on the Manchu war? :D 1 Imp (Say Hi?!) 12:26, April 14, 2013 (UTC)

I've also created a page for the First Manchurian War. If you have any suggestions or problems regarding this page, please contact me. One question I have is whether or not Imperial China existed/played a part in the conflict. I wrote them down for now, but you can remove it if you wish. Thanks, Mscoree (talk) 17:26, April 16, 2013 (UTC)

Dude, please meet me on the wiki chat:

I'm licensed to chill 17:05, April 21, 2013 (UTC)

So if I understand you correctly, after the conclusion of the Second Manchurian War the area of southern Manchuria (which isn't part of the socialist republic) became the Manchurian Territory. In that case I'll change some things around on the territory page to this current state, and make a new article for Chinese Manchurian (now defunct). Mscoree (talk) 19:00, April 25, 2013 (UTC)


Can see where you're meaning now. Have to say though - there's a site north of the city of Hekou, a bit further east, that would make a far better site. Since a new port more or less has to be built from scratch, may as well build it in a more sheltered location.

Some things with reactions we can do - for instance, at this point, write whatever reactions to the conquest of Imperial China you want. We're doing the same thing with the things in India. Past that.. debatable.

Yes, the Middle East does need work. Fx continually has claimed that he is "working on it," yet nothing comes of it. Haven't really seen him around in a while either, not since his "research" got shot down in a big way last time.

Lordganon (talk) 12:26, April 27, 2013 (UTC)

Not east of Hekou, but north of it. It's east of the site you first said.

Yes, the ME is for sure a spot we could do good. Last time anyone tried anything, however, Fx freaked out.

In only a few regards are they the policemen - both are much weaker than the USA and pre-DD USSR. That's why so many problems exist atl, and the USSR gets away with its actions.

Just haven't had any world events that they would be very involved in, truth be told.

Lordganon (talk) 07:28, April 28, 2013 (UTC)

He's already said "no" like that at least once. Lordganon (talk) 09:53, April 28, 2013 (UTC)

Sorry to interjet, but I would like to help out too (with anything I can). :L 1 Imp (Say Hi?!) 11:14, April 28, 2013 (UTC)

No problem. As long as we can get this TL moving, it'll all be good. :D 1 Imp (Say Hi?!) 11:29, April 28, 2013 (UTC)

True enough, Vlad. His insistence on e-mail makes it even worse.

Get anything out of him?

Lordganon (talk) 01:34, May 1, 2013 (UTC)

Need material before I make a commitment

Hey, Vladivostok. Now, i'm thinking of making an AH about how Earth ends up seriously messed up in some places, and better than ever in others. the POD is the development of military-level lasers, microwave weaponry and something very similar to Melta weapons by Great Britain in the 90s, and the North Koreans  using a pretty nasty bioweapon against the USA in 2003 out of spite. Things go steadily downhill from there. But the problem is, I want to try and get some ideas before I rush in and commit myself, or my timeline; fantendo, 40k fanon and star wars fanon have all been victims of my failure to use this approach, and I won't repeat my mistake here. Please, if you anyone willing to help, i'd be very grateful.

Reply to your reply

IT IS NOT AN ASB TIMELINE! A UFO crash in the Lake District (possible, if unlikely) and the tech salvaged from it gives Britain the technological edge to make Meltaguns and other stuff like that. The North Koreans get jealous of other nations, especially the USA, because the Brits share tech with them but not North Korea. Then the 44th US President is a fervent Maccarthyist who pulls some very anti-Marxist politics that insult Kim Jong Il (still alive), who has a typical Communist over-reaction and virus-bombs San Francisco.

You asked also "what's the problem"; the problem is that this is all the material i've got, so I can't build a decent AH timeline on it. Also, I know future history isn't allowed, but if the timeline was intitially extended to January 2015, would that be okay? It's not exactly in the future, since the POD is in 1992, and it only runs up to 19 months into the future. Later updates would go further, but time will have passed by then, and I'll manage a schedule so the gap won't get any bigger.

RC Port

Errr... That area you're referring to is under the control of the Don Republic.

Novoazovsk, slightly west of there, would have to be the target.

Fair warning, though - if they are trying to buddy up to the signatories of the BSA, moving into territory claimed by its members is probably the last thing they'd want to do.

The URC members don't have any intention of moving anything, people goods or otherwise, east by land, either.

Lordganon (talk) 12:12, May 10, 2013 (UTC)

The map on the Post-Soviet Union States page is the most current and up-to-date one of the region, and it does include the area as being part of Don. Other maps almost do, except the map on the Don article, which, realistically, has never been right.

The area's also more or less a write-off from the blasts anyways - not worth trying for a port there.

In theory an advantage, but not realistically.

Lordganon (talk) 02:48, May 11, 2013 (UTC)

Because it is not your map. Same reason why I removed the ones you did to the other one.

On another note, get anything out of Fx? He can change his user page all he wants, but I can safely say from past experience that that means diddly squat.

Lordganon (talk) 10:13, May 14, 2013 (UTC)

It was always done in the past after the maker of the map gave permission. I have declined, and continue to decline, any such permission. At best, it screws up my base map, worse it ends up like the horrid attempt Arstar tried. Least you got the color right. It'll be updated when enough changes have occurred to matter, overall.

Guess Fx is fibbing, then, when he claims to have concrete plans for it. Figured as much.

He can say he's going to work on it all he wants, but that won't make me believe it - he has promised that many times before.

Lordganon (talk) 11:51, May 14, 2013 (UTC)

We is being Having A Plan

Hey Vlad! Me and Guns, as makers of Gansu, have been discussing the nation's doomed fate and we had an idea. If we could somehow make the nation recieve Siberian protection, then we might be able to save it from its fate against the PRC.

The idea is, we have a coup in Gansu, putting a military (or civilian) leader in charge of the nation. He quickly opens talks with Siberia to give Gansu a status of a quasi autonomous state of Siberia. Plus, in these agreements - Gansu would ask for heavy inudstry to be developed in the nation. In exchange, Siberia would recieve a cut of the minerals extracted, or if there is a greater involvement of Gansu in the SU then Siberia would recieve most of the extraction minerals.

The Gansians would then be able to expand northward without fear and join up with the rest of Siberia and then road construction and infrastructure joining would be able to commence. Not only this, the Siberians would get around an extra 8 million people incorporated into their nation. What do you think? :L 1 Imp (Say Hi?!) 22:22, September 27, 2013 (UTC)

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